What hard to find, out of print game do you wish you owned?
Myself, I'm dying to get my hands on TSR's old 'Conan' game (which, apparently, used a system similar to FASERIP). Although a free reproduction of the core rules is gradually being made available here (http://www.midcoast.com/~ricekrwc/zefrs/), I would really love to own the original box set myself.
*sigh*
Same here. It sounds awesome.
Other than that... Lords of Creation. I don't know for sure that it's good but I'd like to find out.
The Traveller "Lost Supplements" by the Keith bros. (Cargonaut Press).
And this Dragon game by Tom Wham with the map by Darlene.
I'm afraid to publicize the OOP games I wish I owned, for fear of further driving up the prices if it prompts someone else to check them out and decides they're cool.
So, my lips are sealed :)
I'd have to say Prince Valiant, but I doubt I'll ever get my hands on that.
Quote from: TechnomancerI'd have to say Prince Valiant, but I doubt I'll ever get my hands on that.
I got a copy for $8 plus $3 for shipping on eBay about four months ago. Keep looking, and don't bid too early, too high. Good luck and don't lose hope! ;)
Quote from: TechnomancerI'd have to say Prince Valiant, but I doubt I'll ever get my hands on that.
Don't give up, I've seen a few on ebay, they are rare but they do show up there (thats where I got mine, :) )
Quote from: AkrasiaWhat hard to find, out of print game do you wish you owned?
Myself, I'm dying to get my hands on TSR's old 'Conan' game (which, apparently, used a system similar to FASERIP). Although a free reproduction of the core rules is gradually being made available here (http://www.midcoast.com/~ricekrwc/zefrs/), I would really love to own the original box set myself.
*sigh*
Shhh, tell no one :)
http://www.trollandtoad.com/p136653.html
http://www.trollandtoad.com/p136650.html
Quote from: Pierce InverarityOther than that... Lords of Creation. I don't know for sure that it's good but I'd like to find out.
I played LoC for the first time yesterday. My group got some funs results out of it. (http://jrients.blogspot.com/2007/04/lords-of-awesome.html)
QuoteThe Traveller "Lost Supplements" by the Keith bros. (Cargonaut Press).
I thought those were still available for purchase somewhere.
QuoteAnd this Dragon game by Tom Wham with the map by Darlene.
Search for the Emperor's Treasure (http://www.tomwham.com/search.html), right? The map was gorgeous.
Yes, Search for the Emperor's Treasure. IIRC I actually HAD it back in the day, then threw it away, then forgot all about it, and now I want it badly.
OK, so having read your blog LoC is now a must-buy.
Re. Cargonaut, are you thinking of this website?
http://www.jumpspace.co.uk/rpgs/collect/lost_supplements/supplements.htm
It only *looks* active. CP closed shop in 2005. Sigh.
Ringworld.
Quote from: TechnomancerI'd have to say Prince Valiant, but I doubt I'll ever get my hands on that.
I know a place where I could buy you a mint copy when their doors open first thing tomorrow morning. Regrettably at cover price ($21.95). They're sort of freaks who seem to have resolutely rejected the Internet as a means of liquidating old stock. That said, I paid cover price for my copy, and it's worth every penny, first and foremost just to own it, but also to avoid the anxiety and irritation of nailing it down on eBay.
Oh, and it was pretty much the only OOP game that I've really wanted in recent years, though some of the more obscure
Traveller supplements and such have been catching my eye. Before
Prince Valiant it was
Striker.
!i!
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaI know a place where I could buy you a mint copy when their doors open first thing tomorrow morning. Regrettably at cover price ($21.95)...
There are many OOP games that I'd be thrilled to pay cover price for a mint condition copy. (Including PV!)
Quote from: AkrasiaI would really love to own the original box set myself.[/i]
I bought it brand new when it was released. Still own it. Sorry, I won't sell it. I'm sure you understand.
Quote from: TechnomancerI'd have to say Prince Valiant, but I doubt I'll ever get my hands on that.
Another one I bought brand new, and still own. Very, very simple game, involving the flipping of coins as the core mechanic.
Quote from: Pierce InverarityOther than that... Lords of Creation. I don't know for sure that it's good but I'd like to find out.
I owned it for years, thought it sucked, and sold it some years ago. I don't remember much about the system itself, but I do remember being underwhelmed.
Quote from: Caesar SlaadRingworld.
That's my pick, too. I've tried to pick it up on eBay a number of times, but the bidding always goes way above what I'm willing to pay. Given the general praise of it over the years, and from what little I've seen of it online, especially the artwork, I wish Chaosium would get off its comatose ass and re-release the goddamned thing, or sell it off to someone who will. Maybe the licensing is too rich for their blood. Someone needs to talk to Larry Niven about this...
Quote from: AkrasiaThere are many OOP games that I'd be thrilled to pay cover price for a mint condition copy. (Including PV!)
Name a few, I'll take an inventory the next time I'm in the neighborhood. :)
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Quote from: pathfinderapShhh, tell no one :)
http://www.trollandtoad.com/p136653.html
http://www.trollandtoad.com/p136650.html
:)
Thanks for the recommendations, but it's not quite the same thing as the 'Conan' game. There are a few important differences.
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaName a few, I'll take an inventory the next time I'm in the neighborhood. :)
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:cool: Let me think a bit ...
Well, we know that Conan and Prince Valiant are on the list... :D
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Quote from: Pierce InveraritySame here. It sounds awesome.
Other than that... Lords of Creation. I don't know for sure that it's good but I'd like to find out.
I have a copy, if I remember right, back at my folks' house. I can try and dig around next time I visit. I believe I also have 2 adventureish things for it - the Horn of Roland and Omegakron.
-O
Quote from: Caesar SlaadRingworld.
Me too, but i've said as much so many times it's almost redundant for me to post in this thread.
OK, to the sixteen-year-old Pierce, Ringworld was this unattainable treasure, which, after it had made its way across the Atlantic, was accumulating dust in his North European LGS, seeing as it was priced at double or more of US retail. I still remember the box lid image of this weird alien walking through a meadow(?). And the books. They were blue and had this fading Ringworld logo on the cover.
Having said that, wasn't the actual game supposed to suck? Wasn't it incomplete?
Quote from: Pierce InverarityHaving said that, wasn't the actual game supposed to suck? Wasn't it incomplete?
I used to own it and while I wish I had it now, I wish I had it so I could sell it. The game had some cool bits but generally, yes, it sucked. Part of the reason it sucked is that the size of the Ringworld and the diversity implied presents one with phenomenal Blank Page Paralysis. Couple that with the usual canon paralysis in games with an existing timeline of events and play was stifled.
I'd add "for us", but clearly the experience was more general given how much play the game gets all around.
I don't get blank page paralysis- I get the other kind. As a GM, I tend to get bored with settings during play, so having a crazy big area really works for me.
I can't really remember how it played; hell we were playing a lot of AD&D 1e back then and Gamma world- we could pretty much muddle through anything.
All in all , though, I may just be suffering from a case of nostolgia
A print copy of Time Lord.
There's ONE on eBay right now, and of course, I'm broke. It's the first copy I've ever seen for sale.
I shall probably have to make do with setting up a private project on Lulu of the free Internet release, the way I did with the Fallout TRPG.
I jsut can't stand not having an actual book for a game.
Original DC Heroes and Dr Who FASA both of which i owned as a kid and both of which ended up with people who weren't my friends, bastards!
I've owned lots of games over the years, ost of which have ended up being sold on as they never got played and i needed the cash. Too many to think of really.
Quote from: AosI may just be suffering from a case of nostolgia
Most likely,
We tend to put up a suckage filter when we remember games we had fun with,
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaWell, we know that Conan and Prince Valiant are on the list... :D
The local library has a copy of
Valiant, so I just pick it up from there, every now and then.
Crimson Cutlass, which the original designer has the rights to but refuses to sell or put online, he told me he would rather let it expire.
Creeks & Crawdads, which I've been looking for so long now it will almost certainly disappoint me.
Ghostbusters 1st edition, but not revised
LUG original series Star Trek.
PM me if you've got them...
Quote from: GrimGentThe local library has a copy of Valiant, so I just pick it up from there, every now and then.
But, but...someone using a game book without buying their own copy is the moral equivalent of theft!
I'm sorry. That spurious assertion came up again recently and I couldn't ignore it. In all honesty, I think it's really nice when libraries are thoughtful enough to add RPGs to their circulation. That is certainly one boon in the shift from boxed sets to bound books.
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Quote from: pathfinderapMost likely,
We tend to put up a suckage filter when we remember games we had fun with,
Yeah I want it anyway, if only so I can adapt it fro traveller.
I'd like a copy of Ghostbusters 1E myself.
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaWell, we know that Conan and Prince Valiant are on the list... :D
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I'd add Chaosium's old
Worlds of Wonder to the list. I'm always looking out for extra copies of the
D&D Rules Cylcopedia (I only have two). I'd love to find a copy of the original
Dungeon! boardgame (man I loved that thing!).
Hmmm ...
:hmm:
Quote from: SilverlionI'd like a copy of Ghostbusters 1E myself.
Another one I bought when it was released, and still own. This is a really nifty game, well worth owning and playing. I'll echo Balbinus by saying the revised Ghostbusters released after the second movie, which I also bought new, is a disappointment. They larded the game down with more complexity, and did away with much of the art and movie photos, as well as the a lot of the humor.
I'd like to take a look at "Spawn of Fashan", just to understand the jokes...
Quote from: SosthenesI'd like to take a look at "Spawn of Fashan", just to understand the jokes...
A few years back, Piratecat, one of the mods at EN World, found the guy who did SoF and actually got a batch of them printed up for those who requested a copy, myself included. The guy even included a history of the game, including the infamous lambasting it got in Dragon. The guy is long since out of gaming, and his history put the game into context - yeah, it's bad, but it was done by some young guys with a lot of enthusiasm, if little design talent. Real pull-oneself-up-by-one's-bootstraps stuff. There are, and have been, plenty of games that have been just as bad, but SoF had the misfortune to be an amateur production that somehow attracted the attention of the most important source of RPG news at the time.
I wish I still had my D&D Rules Cyclopedia. I don't have two pennies to rub together to buy one online to replace it.
Ringworld
Leviathan (and the rest of the Renegade Legion stuff)
In regards to Ringworld and blank space:
When I GMed my MT campaign, I had a Ringworld in my sector. The players explored it, and therefore I wrote a program, that would generate a deviant expanded UPP for every culture on the Ringworld. It was generated in MySQL commands, so I could search and sort to my liking.
It was 500 MB of culture data, referenced by my own coordinate system for a ringworld. Thusly, I had diverstity and preparation without getting insane. I also analyzed the database, so I could construct interrellations of various cultures depending on size and tech level. Without automatization it would have been impossible.
Quote from: SettembriniRingworld
Leviathan (and the rest of the Renegade Legion stuff)
Ah yes, Renegade Legion, one of my favourite settings for which I own every set and supplement released by FASA! Muhahaha! Took me a long time to get most of it though. Most of the stuff pops up on ebay fairly often, except the Leviathan Capital Ship Briefing which appears to be a near mythical product worth its weight in gold. But despair not! It does actually exist, I have a copy :)
The RPG I want is Privateers & Gentlemen since my copy is so battered I feel I need a replacement.
It's entirely possible I will utterly fail to ever 'sell' the Rules Cyclopedia I got off eBay to my group.
If that's the case, I'll certainly ensure it gets a home with someone here.
Quote from: SettembriniIn regards to Ringworld and blank space:
Yours is a clever solution. Nice. Regarding others disliking just how big a canvas Ringworld is on which to paint without official support, I think reading and then re-reading the entire series of books would help one "fill in the blanks" much more easily. Plus, on something that size, literally almost anything is possible. This is especially true given that some of the more advanced Ringworld races had managed to leave the Ringworld, and some of them may have returned at some point, bringing even more items and critters with them.
Quote from: ColonelHardissonAnother one I bought when it was released, and still own. This is a really nifty game, well worth owning and playing. I'll echo Balbinus by saying the revised Ghostbusters released after the second movie, which I also bought new, is a disappointment. They larded the game down with more complexity, and did away with much of the art and movie photos, as well as the a lot of the humor.
For what it's worth, 1e GB was written and designed almost entirely by the guys at Chaosium. 2e was overhauled completely by WEG.
I don't know if there's a correlation there, and I'm not trying to throw stones at WEG (I absolutely love D6 Star Wars), but it is pretty clear that the version WEG did entirely by themselves is regarded as inferior to the original.
I have a friend who has 2 copies of Ringworld.
I wouldn't mind having a copy myself.
Quote from: ColonelHardissonYours is a clever solution. Nice. Regarding others disliking just how big a canvas Ringworld is on which to paint without official support, I think reading and then re-reading the entire series of books would help one "fill in the blanks" much more easily. Plus, on something that size, literally almost anything is possible. This is especially true given that some of the more advanced Ringworld races had managed to leave the Ringworld, and some of them may have returned at some point, bringing even more items and critters with them.
That's one of the many reasons I love Ringworld. Room for creativity. It's why I left so much of the StarCluster blank. :D
-clash
Quote from: McrowI have a friend who has 2 copies of Ringworld.
I wouldn't mind having a copy myself.
It is, to my mind, the best SF RPG published before 2000.
-clash
I want a copy of Boot Hill 1st & 2nd editions, the old TSR Conan game, and Delta Green. (sure the reprint's coming...sure it is...delivered by a jackalope riding on the back of a Jengwi.)
i've slowly amassed the rest of my 'wants'...Yaquinto's Man, Myth & Magic, Castle Falkenstein, Prince Valiant, and a couple of other minor things.
Quote from: kregmosierI want a copy of Boot Hill 1st & 2nd editions
neener, neener
I have both.:D
Quote from: Mcrowneener, neener
I have both.:D
I've often wondered if 1st edition had anything that was omitted from 2nd edition.
Quote from: gale_wolfThe RPG I want is Privateers & Gentlemen since my copy is so battered I feel I need a replacement.
Now that is a hard one to get, I've seen more copies of Ringworld and Dune than this,
Quote from: pathfinderapNow that is a hard one to get, I've seen more copies of Ringworld and Dune than this,
Yeah! I was desperately trying to find a copy I could afford for years until Balbinus helped me out.
/me bows to Balbinus!
-clash
Quote from: flyingmiceYeah! I was desperately trying to find a copy I could afford for years until Balbinus helped me out.
/me bows to Balbinus!
-clash
I know, that guys selling some collectors stuff for peanuts, (I've warned him though lol),
I maybe buying trading something from him soon ;)
Quote from: jrientsI've often wondered if 1st edition had anything that was omitted from 2nd edition.
1st edition (1975) was 34 pages. 2nd (1979, reprinted in 84) was 36. I don't believe anything was omitted.
Of course, 3rd Edition (1990) used a completely different rules system, and sucked ass.
Quote from: McrowI have a friend who has 2 copies of Ringworld.
I wouldn't mind having a copy myself.
Damn! 2 copies? Sheesh.
Has anyone ever gotten any response from Chaosium as to whether or not they ever plan on re-releasing this in some form, or let someone else do it?
Quote from: GMSkarka1st edition (1975) was 34 pages. 2nd (1979, reprinted in 84) was 36. I don't believe anything was omitted.
Of course, 3rd Edition (1990) used a completely different rules system, and sucked ass.
Hmmm, that's an interesting appraisal of 3e ;) Personally I like it and my group used to play a lot of one-shots using it. But then, none of us had the earlier editions to compare it with anyway...
Quote from: J ArcaneA print copy of Time Lord.
There's ONE on eBay right now, and of course, I'm broke. It's the first copy I've ever seen for sale.
I shall probably have to make do with setting up a private project on Lulu of the free Internet release, the way I did with the Fallout TRPG.
I jsut can't stand not having an actual book for a game.
I am bidding on Time Lord right now. I hope I win it because it would be nice to actually have the book to read instead of dealing with the .PDF
Quote from: Mcrowneener, neener
I have both.:D
oh yeah, well watch me shake my angry fist!!
:ferret: :raise:
hrmm...well, watch that angry ferret and
feel my jealousy!!
I've got Lords of Creation and good isn't a term I'd apply to it, but I've also got Galloway's Fantasy Wargaming, which is so dreadful that I simply have to run it some day!
I wish I'd hung on to KABAL, but I was downsizing and put it in the garbage. Couldn't recycle it, too much risk of suck seepage getting into the ground water.
The was a little game in two books entitled Warrior and Wizard I've always wanted.
I'd also like a copy of Lands of Adventure, which I gave away a copy of once.
The Sentry Box in Calgary still has one or two copies of Worlds of Wonder and they've got an on-line store too. I got War Law there for a mere $40.
Quote from: David JohansenI'd also like a copy of Lands of Adventure, which I gave away a copy of once.
Doable
http://www.leisuregames.com/acatalog/copy_of_copy_of_Lands_of_Adventure_RPG.html
There have been so many collectable or rare games that I was soooo curious about. Some took me over a decade to obtain, before the internet and eBay (Monsters! Monsters! For example). I used to have a network of people I called all over the USA for rare games. I would call about once a month, and by the time I found the item I had paid more in long distance bills than the item would ever be worth. :)
In any case, I’m sad to say that I’ve obtained all the rare games I wanted to see. Most of them were utterly disappointing (especially with the built up anticipation of what they would be like after years of searching) and I ended up selling them off.
I do have a few “collectables” that I’m thinking of selling off in the near future, just because I’m tired of hording junk that I don’t look at much anymore, and will never play. I’ve also have gotten over that simple joy of having something in my possession that I used to have. I figure I’ll make some other person happy who has been looking for them.
But I haven’t completely decided yet. :) This will reduce my collection even further, only keeping the games I actually play, and the ones I would play if I could ;). The only one I would keep for pure nostalgia would be my AD&D 1st ed books…only because I played that one so much more in comparison to any other game.
Quote from: Caesar SlaadRingworld.
It's a lovely game. I managed to geta copy a couple of years back (still in shrink wrap, to boot) and it is very nice. Chaosium really should make it available in PDF or something, it's one of those underappreciated classics. Underappreciate dbecause no one can get their hands on it!
Cheers
Malcolm
Quote from: Malcolm CraigChaosium really should make [Ringworld] available in PDF or something, it's one of those underappreciated classics. Underappreciate dbecause no one can get their hands on it!
I don't recall the exact details, but there are complications with re-releasing it in any form. The fact that it's based on a licensed property is most obvious, but there's also the fact that it might cost Chaosium money that they don't have to do it. In the meantime, there's always this .PDF scan of
FutureWorld, its predecessor, available from
this Romanian-hosted website (http://basicrps.narod.ru/index-wow.html).
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I won the copy of Time Lord
*Doing the Happy Dance*
It will be nice to have a actual copy of the game instead of having it in .PDF
Quote from: GMSkarkaOf course, 3rd Edition (1990) used a completely different rules system, and sucked ass.
we're playing 3rd right now, and it seems to me like a predecessor of the d20 system.
(of course we changed the 'roll 2d10 vs difficulty/skill' to 'roll d20 vs. difficulty/skill') its been SO long since i played 1st/2nd edition, my opinions of its superiority might simply be due to my nostalgia-goggles.
You see, the mere fact that an edition of Boot Hill even has a skill system is almost heresy to some of us.
Well until about 4 months ago I would have said that getting 1st edition Mutant Chronicles books was my only and hardest job in that realm. I managed to start getting a few of them back in 1998, when it as a lot easier to get em used, but then some of the books dropped off my map and were devilishly hard to get (Algeroth, Mishima especially).
That was until about 4 months ago, when I found them for sale on Amazon. I consider myself lucky.
Quote from: JamesVWell until about 4 months ago I would have said that getting 1st edition Mutant Chronicles books was my only and hardest job in that realm. I managed to start getting a few of them back in 1998, when it as a lot easier to get em used, but then some of the books dropped off my map and were devilishly hard to get (Algeroth, Mishima especially).
That was until about 4 months ago, when I found them for sale on Amazon. I consider myself lucky.
I saw a complete set of Mutant Chronicles books at one the local Half-Price books a few weeks ago. :D
I wouldn't mind getting a copy of Nomad Gods (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/7966) one day. I know it's not RP as such, but it's a relative. I'd play it, too.
Quote from: droogI wouldn't mind getting a copy of Nomad Gods (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/7966) one day. I know it's not RP as such, but it's a relative. I'd play it, too.
Oh, totally. That's the one Chaosium game I was never able to get my hands on. I keep hoping for a reprint of DP and NG... (even though I've got the AH edition of Dragon Pass, I'd dearly love a copy of Nomad Gods...)
Quote from: McrowI saw a complete set of Mutant Chronicles books at one the local Half-Price books a few weeks ago. :D
Shush you! It took me ten years to assemble my full set and I'm damn proud of it. :p
Not to mention I was already down there last month. It's a goodly and kinda pricey trip for a Fargo boy like me. I admit I am looking to shoot for a second visit this summer, maybe a shopping/gaming orgy at The Source with my group.
Quote from: JamesVShush you! It took me ten years to assemble my full set and I'm damn proud of it. :p
Not to mention I was already down there last month. It's a goodly and kinda pricey trip for a Fargo boy like me. I admit I am looking to shoot for a second visit this summer, maybe a shopping/gaming orgy at The Source with my group.
Oh, Yeah. In know the trip very well. I grew up in Lake Park near Detroit lakes. We used to have to drive an hour to Fargo just to buy D&D books. :D
Quote from: JamesVWell until about 4 months ago I would have said that getting 1st edition Mutant Chronicles books was my only and hardest job in that realm. I managed to start getting a few of them back in 1998, when it as a lot easier to get em used, but then some of the books dropped off my map and were devilishly hard to get (Algeroth, Mishima especially).
That was until about 4 months ago, when I found them for sale on Amazon. I consider myself lucky.
You know they are making a Mutant Chronicles movie ;)
One old boardgame and one old RPG I would like to own one day. If anyone has them and can share some thoughts about them, that would be great!
1. Christians and Lions - Beer and pretzel boardgame. Saw it advertised in Dragon a couple(?) of decades ago. Sounded very wrong but fun!
2. Iron Hedge - I remember looking at the ads in back of Dragon Magazine about 2 1/2 decades ago and saw this little game that was obviously created on a Mac for sale for $5. They expanded their line to West Hedge and Star Hedge. Any info on this RPG?
Thanks!
Eric
Quote from: jrientsYou see, the mere fact that an edition of Boot Hill even has a skill system is almost heresy to some of us.
Exactly. First and Second Edition -- although really, they should have just called them "printings" rather than "editions", since they're basically identical -- were just a skirmish-level wargame of western shoot-outs. Every stat, every rule, was centered around combat.
That, plus the slimness of the rules (30-odd pages), made for a GREAT rules-light RPG. We house-ruled skills, giving players areas of expertise to flesh them out -- but requiring no rolls.
3rd edition comes along, and not only adds a skill system, but completely changes all of the other rules as well. Completely unneccesary.
Quote from: GMSkarkaExactly. First and Second Edition -- although really, they should have just called them "printings" rather than "editions", since they're basically identical -- were just a skirmish-level wargame of western shoot-outs. Every stat, every rule, was centered around combat.
Wait. Granted, it's been a long time, but I could swear that my 1st ed. Louisiana quadroon riverboat gambler (c. 1981) had a "gambling" skill. Weren't there other skills, too?
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You had a number for Gambling, yes. But that was the only skill in the game and I'm pretty sure it wasn't even called a 'skill' in the text. Gambling Rating was its name, maybe? Gambling was pretty much the only mechanically supported non-combat activity, and that support was a paragraph or two.
Quote from: pathfinderapYou know they are making a Mutant Chronicles movie ;)
Riiiight... that 'movie' has been in the rumor mill since I was working for Berkeley Game Distributors, back around 1995 or so. Target Games was all up in our face about it when they came out to demo "BattleZone" for us...
"Mutant Chronicles: The Movie" is a real, "I'll beleive it when I see it" sort of thing...
Quote from: zombenRiiiight... that 'movie' has been in the rumor mill since I was working for Berkeley Game Distributors, back around 1995 or so. Target Games was all up in our face about it when they came out to demo "BattleZone" for us...
"Mutant Chronicles: The Movie" is a real, "I'll beleive it when I see it" sort of thing...
My understanding is that the movie has been filmed already. :confused:
Quote from: McrowMy understanding is that the movie has been filmed already. :confused:
You are correct. It has already been filmed:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490181/
Ron Pearlman is the only name I know in the list of actors
*Edit: Oh and John Malkovich*
Quote from: droogI wouldn't mind getting a copy of Nomad Gods (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/7966) one day. I know it's not RP as such, but it's a relative. I'd play it, too.
The French edition (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/23605) might be a reasonable alternative. (Somebody posted an English translation of the rules on BGG, too.)
ok, this is fun...if we can add board games, i want:
Divine Right (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/23)
and
Knights of Camelot (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/1780)
as i have fond remembrances of them as well.
We played Divine Right back in the day! It was awesome... if complex.
Quote from: zombenRiiiight... that 'movie' has been in the rumor mill since I was working for Berkeley Game Distributors, back around 1995 or so. Target Games was all up in our face about it when they came out to demo "BattleZone" for us...
"Mutant Chronicles: The Movie" is a real, "I'll beleive it when I see it" sort of thing...
Well, a whole bunch of people have already sighed the dotted line to do this movie,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490181/
Is that enough for you?
Quote from: Blue DevilYou are correct. It has already been filmed:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490181/
Ron Pearlman is the only name I know in the list of actors
*Edit: Oh and John Malkovich*
LOL, beat me to it, Ron Pearlman and team are also going to do another Hellboy :D
Quote from: pathfinderapLOL, beat me to it, Ron Pearlman and team are also going to do another Hellboy :D
Yep, this movie is in post-production so it has alrady been filmed.
Another Hellboy movie? I didn't care for the first one. Oh well, I guess that is me.
Well, the two animated hellboy movies were kinda fun. And I support anything thnat keeps Del Toro (or anyone) from making more Blade movies.
Quote from: Pierce InverarityWe played Divine Right back in the day! It was awesome... if complex.
A copy of Divine Right plus the setting articles in
Dragon (in issues around #40 or so) would make great material for a D&D campaign.
Quote from: SosthenesWell, the two animated hellboy movies were kinda fun. And I support anything thnat keeps Del Toro (or anyone) from making more Blade movies.
He only did the one,
Quote from: pathfinderapHe only did the one,
He thought about doing another one, but made Hellboy instead. If this thing happens to every director asked, we'll be spared further agony.
Quote from: Blue DevilYep, this movie is in post-production so it has alrady been filmed.
Wasn't keeping track, didn't know they had finished filming on this,
Quote from: Blue DevilAnother Hellboy movie? I didn't care for the first one. Oh well, I guess that is me.
The next Hellboy will becoming from a diffrent studio, you may like this version more, it's going to be retooled, and not a straight follow on from the last film,
Quote from: SosthenesHe thought about doing another one, but made Hellboy instead. If this thing happens to every director asked, we'll be spared further agony.
He thinks about alot of projects, (but had been planning on Hellboy for along time) at one point he was even linked to Halo,
Quote from: jrientsA copy of Divine Right plus the setting articles in Dragon (in issues around #40 or so) would make great material for a D&D campaign.
Someone else had the same idea.
World of Minaria (http://www3.sympatico.ca/mgemmell/MinariaRPG.html)
Quote from: pathfinderapWell, a whole bunch of people have already sighed the dotted line to do this movie,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490181/
Is that enough for you?
Hey, wow, who knew? Seriously, it's just that I heard "'Mutant Chronicles: The Movie' is coming sooooooon!" for so long back in the 1990's, I just stopped paying attention.
Neat.
Anybody want to give me the quick run down on what Mutant Chronicles is all about?
Quote from: pathfinderapAnybody want to give me the quick run down on what Mutant Chronicles is all about?
A lot of people compare it to WH40K and there are some similarities.
Quote from: McrowA lot of people compare it to WH40K and there are some similarities.
Yeah, I've always thought of it as sort of a cross between "Cyberpunk 2020" and "DOOM". I loved the battle game "BattleZone" and always
wanted to like the RPG, but I could never figure out what to do with it.
Quote from: zombenYeah, I've always thought of it as sort of a cross between "Cyberpunk 2020" and "DOOM". I loved the battle game "BattleZone" and always wanted to like the RPG, but I could never figure out what to do with it.
that's a good way to describe it, across between CP and Doom.
Mutant Chronicles: Swedish Black Metal fans who liked Blade Runner...
Quote from: McrowA lot of people compare [Mutant Chronicles] to WH40K and there are some similarities.
Based on the box art, at the time I thought it
was a version of
WH40K licensed to Milton Bradley for mainstream US distribution. Similarly, there's a failed football spoof out there that looks like a licensed version of
Blood Bowl.
!i!
Quote from: jrientsA copy of Divine Right plus the setting articles in Dragon (in issues around #40 or so) would make great material for a D&D campaign.
There were setting articles?? Coolness. When I saw the image of the map on BGG, which looks like it's by the same artist who did that early Greyhawk hexmap, I thought, gee, why didn't they set it in Greyhawk to begin with?
I guess because Greyhawk didn't exist yet in '75, except maybe as a bunch of squiggles on a paper napkin.
Just to add, I'm really warming to the idea of playing a wargame alongside an RPG campaign, such that the events of the former shape those of the latter. Fifth Frontier War/Traveller, Divine Right/D&D... it would take a lot of careful planning to prep something like that, though.
Quote from: Pierce InverarityThere were setting articles?? Coolness.
The special
Divine Right issue of
Dragon was mostly crunch-related, as I recall. But the multi-issue series ("Minarian Legends" or something like that) was all creamy setting info in a shiny candy coating.
Quote from: pathfinderapWasn't keeping track, didn't know they had finished filming on this,
Yep, it's done
Quote from: pathfinderapThe next Hellboy will becoming from a diffrent studio, you may like this version more, it's going to be retooled, and not a straight follow on from the last film,
I might. I will still wait for it on cable. I don't think I could justify paying money to see this in the theater.
I had to send an email to the person I bought the Time Lord book from and light a fire under their ass.
I paid them the day the auction ended and they are slow to get the book to me.
I want Time Lord Now dammit!
Quote from: jrientsA copy of Divine Right plus the setting articles in Dragon (in issues around #40 or so) would make great material for a D&D campaign.
Correction. It would make
awesome material for a D&D campaign.
Edited to add: Thanks for the link, Techno-dude!
Quote from: Blue DevilI might. I will still wait for it on cable. I don't think I could justify paying money to see this in the theater.
What, and with a name like yours, lol
You should give it a chance, it's quite pulpy in feel,
Quote from: Blue DevilI had to send an email to the person I bought the Time Lord book from and light a fire under their ass.
I paid them the day the auction ended and they are slow to get the book to me.
I want Time Lord Now dammit!
What the hell was Time Lord, anyway? I keep thinking it was that bizarre "Sandman" RPG put out by PaceSetter...
Quote from: zombenWhat the hell was Time Lord, anyway? I keep thinking it was that bizarre "Sandman" RPG put out by PaceSetter...
The second, and best, of the officially licensed Doctor Who RPGs.
Quote from: zombenWhat the hell was Time Lord, anyway? I keep thinking it was that bizarre "Sandman" RPG put out by PaceSetter...
Thats "Timemaster" by Pacesetter
Time Lord is a A5 softback book by Virgin,
The system is a bit rough, (best played with PIGames diceless system)
Aha! Gotcha. The only Dr. Who game I was familar with was the GW one. Not being a big Dr. Who fan, I suppose that's not a surprise.
Quote from: pathfinderapTime Lord is a A5 softback book by Virgin,
The system is a bit rough, (best played with PIGames diceless system)
Actually, give it a try with my revised Story Bones 3E (http://www.pigames.net/collaborative/index.php?action=read&page=293) ;)
I really don't think it matters what system you use -- if you are intimately familiar with a system, that would probably work best. Failing that, a lite system in which you can focus on story is the next best thing (that's why I think Story Bones would be good).
I'd love to have a copy of some of the Amazing Engine books. The PDFs from TSR (oops, WoTC) are lousy don't print too well..
Quote from: pigames.netI'd love to have a copy of some of the Amazing Engine books. The PDFs from TSR (oops, WoTC) are lousy don't print too well..
I liked the AE books, though I didn't think much of the system. Trouble was, the AE books were overpriced in their day, and at first they were bundling the setting book with the rules book, then began making one book for each setting, Trouble was, too many of the latter were dominated by the game mechanics, and the setting material seemed almost an afterthought. Magitech is the best example of this, in my opinion.
My favorite AE books are Bughunters and Metamorphosis Alpha to Omega.
The former has kind of a nifty (if fairly ludicrous) premise - people can volunteer to be cloned, and the clone, which is considered property of the government, is then used as a soldier out in deep space. Think the Marines from "Aliens," except tougher, faster, stronger, and with memories that aren't theirs. The premise doesn't bear much scrutiny, but it's kinda fun. WotC updated the setting for d20 Future, but left the whole clone thing basically alone. Anyway, the AE book is cool, with some nice artwork and some interesting background material.
The latter is an update of the venerable Metamorphosis Alpha game of the 70s. The detailing of the various decks of the ship is OK, though superficial and unsatisfying in spots. The main premise is still pretty cool - a generation colony ship meets with disaster on its trip, which results in the ship's inhabitants mutating and/or regressing civilization-wise, to the point they forget they're on a ship. The artwork sucks, badly, except for the strongest part of the whole book - the deck plans and illustrations of the Starship Warden. Someone built a very nice model of the ship, that appears on the cover and the maps. Very much scratch-built (check out the flashlights used for engines), but definitely cool.
I didn't like the system either. For Faerie, Queen and Country was the best (luckily I have a physical copy), but I gave up reading the PDFs of the other ones like Tabloid and Magitech because they were just a pain to read (and printing was worse).
Quote from: pathfinderapWhat, and with a name like yours, lol
You should give it a chance, it's quite pulpy in feel,
Well it's not just Hellboy. With the price of movies being so high (it's $9 for an adult ticket) I usually wait for most movies to come to on demand (where I can pay $4 to see the movie).
Just can't justify paying the high ticket price anymore.
Quote from: zombenWhat the hell was Time Lord, anyway? I keep thinking it was that bizarre "Sandman" RPG put out by PaceSetter...
It's one of the two "Official" Dr. Who RPGs to be released. It's actually available for free in .pdf format (the link is in this thread) but I prefer to have it in print.
Quote from: J ArcaneThe second, and best, of the officially licensed Doctor Who RPGs.
I have never seen the first edition (Was it FASA who put it out?) but I don't really hear people talking about it either.
Once I get my physical book (I heard back from the person I bought it from) I am going to read it over and then run it via Play by Post
Quote from: pathfinderapThats "Timemaster" by Pacesetter
Time Lord is a A5 softback book by Virgin,
The system is a bit rough, (best played with PIGames diceless system)
I don't mind the system actually.
I plan to run it using the actual system in the book. At least I think the system in the book is serviceable enough.
Prince Valiant - not that tough to find or that expensive. Friend of mine picked up a signed copy for a buck a couple years back.
Lords of Creation - lord, that creation stunk. Sold my copy away nearly two decades ago.
Ringworld - meh. had it and the Companion, and sold them just after my huge Ravenloft purge. Don't feel the loss.
Crimson Cutlass - I'm also looking for a copy, since I have the entire line of Better Games SG/FG magazines. Collection completion syndrome.
Creeks and Crawdads - fluffy crap, but mildly entertaining. I'm keeping my copy because I seriously doubt it's worth the trouble to find it and assign it a reasonable value. Plus, I'll probably NEVER get another copy.
Ghostbusters - I think I got (and got rid of) the second edition a while ago, and wasn't impressed. Can't imagine why I'd want the first.
Worlds of Wonder - I think I have two of the three books, sans box. Meh.
Besides Crimson Cutlass, the only thing I have my eyes out for is a decent set of the six Dragon Warriors books. I already have the PDFs. I want the hardcopies. I don't really want to buy them piecemeal, so I'll be a while waiting for them. I'm in no hurry.
Quote from: rumbleBesides Crimson Cutlass, the only thing I have my eyes out for is a decent set of the six Dragon Warriors books. I already have the PDFs. I want the hardcopies. I don't really want to buy them piecemeal, so I'll be a while waiting for them. I'm in no hurry.
James Wallis has been working on a hardcover containing all six books for some time now. Not sure when it will see the light of day though.
Delta Green: Countdown.
Because after getting boned by RPGShop, and getting no response from Pagan's customer service, it became a collector's item today. There are 100 left, and now they're only going for collector's prices.
I'd have had it two weeks ago if those people had gotten their shit together.
Quote from: One Horse TownJames Wallis has been working on a hardcover containing all six books for some time now. Not sure when it will see the light of day though.
It's on its way. One of the artists responsible for the interior illustrations recently commented on how cool he thought the manuscript was on another forum.
Quote from: DrewIt's on its way. One of the artists responsible for the interior illustrations recently commented on how cool he thought the manuscript was on another forum.
I thought Wallis had retired from the RPG hobby?
Quote from: zombenI thought Wallis had retired from the RPG hobby?
You're thinking of Jamie Wallis, who used to run Hogshead.
James Wallis is a different person entirely. He was behind the d20 conversions of the old Fighting Fantasy novels a few years back.
Quote from: DrewJames Wallis is a different person entirely..
No, sorry. You're mistaken. Same guy.
James is a friend of mine. He's getting back into the industry (sort of-- concentrating on direct-to-consumer collector stuff), and the Dragon Warriors stuff is one of the things that he's currently working on.
Quote from: GMSkarkaNo, sorry. You're mistaken. Same guy.
James is a friend of mine. He's getting back into the industry (sort of-- concentrating on direct-to-consumer collector stuff), and the Dragon Warriors stuff is one of the things that he's currently working on.
What?! I used to think they were one and the same, but was 'corrected' by a number of people on different sites.
Shit. Shows me up for the trusting fool I am...:deflated:
So, the James Wallis responsible for the d20 conversions of the Fighting Fantasy novels was the same James Wallis of Hogshead.
Apologies to Zomben for the misinformation.
Good to hear. Is there a publisher or a release date for the final product yet?
Quote from: GMSkarkaJames is a friend of mine. He's getting back into the industry (sort of-- concentrating on direct-to-consumer collector stuff), and the Dragon Warriors stuff is one of the things that he's currently working on.
Quote from: rumbleGood to hear. Is there a publisher or a release date for the final product yet?
His own publishing imprint. (Not sure of the name)
He has set no release date, but I know that it is underway.
He posted a few details about this on RPGnet last July. (http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=6008516&postcount=30)
Quote from: rumbleCreeks and Crawdads - fluffy crap, but mildly entertaining. I'm keeping my copy because I seriously doubt it's worth the trouble to find it and assign it a reasonable value. Plus, I'll probably NEVER get another copy.
Ghostbusters - I think I got (and got rid of) the second edition a while ago, and wasn't impressed. Can't imagine why I'd want the first.
I've seen maybe one copy of Creeks and Crawdads available (ever), and I promptly bought it. Turned out to be a playtest copy, with various authenticating documents. Not often you get provenance like that. Having never seen another copy for sale, I'm not sure if it's "rare-valuable" or just "rare."
1st edition of Ghostbusters is simply more entertaining than 2nd. I bought an editor's copy of the Ghostbusters Handbook from a lady that worked at WEG. It's a dot-matrix printout with some handwritten notes. More of a historical oddity than anything else, I suppose, but it sits in the boxed set with the other stuff.
Ringworld? Two copies, one for each hand.
KABAL was a beast to locate. I'm still not sure just how many books comprise it. I've got a first edition copy that's just one book. Not sure if I'm missing anything or not.
The worst was The Spawn of Fashan. I spent years looking for that thing and finally acquired one by getting in touch with the guy who wrote it. I e-mailed him on a lark, figuring nothing would come of it. He asked why I wanted it, I told him why, and it arrived about a week later in a BRIGHT red envelope.
Teenagers From Outer Space
The "beer and pretzels" game I've had the most fun with. My copy got waterlogged and molded after the tub in my apartment started leaking (I didn't figure this out for a month, hence the mold).
TORG.
I want some TORG! corebooks.
Also, I am the sick puppy that would convert it to GURPS - somehow.
Hell, give me half a chance and I'll convert almost anything into GURPS.
- Ed C.
Hey, I want more conversions of GURPS books to the Torg system ;)
Quote from: jeff37923Teenagers From Outer Space
The "beer and pretzels" game I've had the most fun with. My copy got waterlogged and molded after the tub in my apartment started leaking (I didn't figure this out for a month, hence the mold).
You can get this in .pdf form on both rpgnpw and drivethrurpg (R. talsorian finally added it).
Quote from: KoltarTORG.
I want some TORG! corebooks.
Also, I am the sick puppy that would convert it to GURPS - somehow.
Hell, give me half a chance and I'll convert almost anything into GURPS.
- Ed C.
They have a copy of the revised and edited edition in hardback at my FLGS.
It doesn't have the templates or the cards and I don't want to have to track those things down so I didn't buy it.
I would love to see Torg 2.0 come out
Quote from: One Horse TownJames Wallis has been working on a hardcover containing all six books for some time now. Not sure when it will see the light of day though.
IIRC he said on the DragWars ML that the new one-book edition of Dragon Warriors would contain a few revisions but essentially be reprint of the original material. I'd certainly buy it. I already have 2 complete 6-book sets of the originals, including the set I bought when it was first published and I saved my allowance to get each book as they arrived in the local book store. I was 12 :D
I now have complete editions of both the original and the recent reprint of Divine Right, so all is right in the world again.
This marks the first night that I'm posting here as my main forum. I refuse to be a ghettoized D&Der at big purple. I'm so mad about that I could spit.
Quote from: CalithenaThis marks the first night that I'm posting here as my main forum. I refuse to be a ghettoized D&Der at big purple. I'm so mad about that I could spit.
We're glad to have you here, Cal!
Quote from: CalithenaThis marks the first night that I'm posting here as my main forum. I refuse to be a ghettoized D&Der at big purple. I'm so mad about that I could spit.
I still don't get this idea that having it's own forum is ghettoizing any specific game, it's more giving it it's own forum.
You aren't the only one having this knee-jerk reaction to the change though
Quote from: Blue DevilI still don't get this idea that having it's own forum is ghettoizing any specific game, it's more giving it it's own forum.
Explain to me why Exalted isn't being spotlighted. It's hugely popular at RPGnet. Hell, during the heyday of 1st edition most of the first page of Open was Exalted threads. Any "what system should I use" question always always got at least one person saying "Exalted, of course!".
"I like the basic premise of Nicotine Girls, but I want additional rules for exploring the world of young crossdressers coming to terms with their sexual identity in turn-of-the-century Manitoba."
"Have you tried Exalted?"
QuoteYou aren't the only one having this knee-jerk reaction to the change though
Calithena is one of the most lucid thinkers I know. To call any action of his "knee-jerk" strikes me as a dubious proposition.
Thanks, Jeff. By the way, the Diamond House Bed & Breakfast in Arcola is a seriously nice place to stay. The breakfasts are AMAZING. It's over $100 per night, so pricey for the area, but if you have visitors or want to take a trip yourself and don't mind spending some extra money it's a nice place for a long weekend. The Amish country, Rockome gardens, etc. give you stuff to do during the day.
As to big purple...no reason to discuss it more here, but since people are taking up the thread, I'll just say what I said there: I really value truly OPEN rpg forums. My model for a fun rpg site remains the early issues of Dragon and Alarums & Excursions, where all games get taken up side by side, individually or comparatively. I was opposed to moving Exalted off the main site too, even though I don't play it and don't have much interest in the game (the system is way too cumbersome for me). I'm all about cross-pollination.
Quote from: Blue DevilI still don't get this idea that having it's own forum is ghettoizing any specific game, it's more giving [Exalted] it's own forum.
You mean its
second own forum.
!i!
Quote from: AkrasiaWhat hard to find, out of print game do you wish you owned?
Myself, I'm dying to get my hands on TSR's old 'Conan' game (which, apparently, used a system similar to FASERIP). Although a free reproduction of the core rules is gradually being made available here (http://www.midcoast.com/~ricekrwc/zefrs/), I would really love to own the original box set myself.
*sigh*
I may be wrong but a place down the road from here has a copy of this-but I have no idea if it's the one you want, or a newer edition. (If there is such thing.)
I saw it only in passing, but it was a thick hard cover Conan book. I'll see if I can snag it next time I am there.
Original Top Secret box set, and the Companion
Original Dragonquest by SPI
Oh, and if we're including board games, Sword & Sorcery, also by SPI. I usta get the biggest kick outa Chairman Nashkund, leader of the Red Orcs of the O. R. C. (Orcish Revolutionary Council). Also dug the killer penguins, and X the Unknown :)
Quote from: SigmundOriginal Top Secret box set, and the Companion
I own this! I love it! It's one of my favorite pieces game memorabilia that I never quite got to use! I have used portions of it to supplement my Shadowrun game for years now. I picked it up in a used book store in Mount Pleasant.
Quote from: Serious Paul... I saw it only in passing, but it was a thick hard cover Conan book. I'll see if I can snag it next time I am there.
Sadly, if it's a hard cover book, then it's probably not the game in question. As far as I know, the TSR Conan game was released as a box set only.
If it has a cover of Conan going nuts in some ruins while a couple of beasts are creeping up behind him, though, then it may be the game in question after all (the artist was DSL, iirc).
Quote from: Serious PaulI own this! I love it! It's one of my favorite pieces game memorabilia that I never quite got to use! I have used portions of it to supplement my Shadowrun game for years now. I picked it up in a used book store in Mount Pleasant.
Bastard :D The only thing I might want as much would be the James Bond RPG Q Manual (not the whole game, just the Q Manual). Otherwise, Top Secret will always be THE espionage rpg as far as I'm concerned. I remember I usta have a dragon adventure for it that had these russian agents, and chinese agents in it, and some kinda warehouse.... great memories.
Quote from: SigmundI remember I usta have a dragon adventure for it that had these russian agents, and chinese agents in it, and some kinda warehouse.... great memories.
Great, but not terribly clear? ;) :D
Quote from: Christmas ApeGreat, but not terribly clear? ;) :D
I can't remember the name of the adventure, just that it had russian agent npcs, chinese agent npcs, and then the pcs all running around working against each other in a covert (and sometimes not so covert) free-for-all.
Quote from: SigmundI can't remember the name of the adventure, just that it had russian agent npcs, chinese agent npcs, and then the pcs all running around working against each other in a covert (and sometimes not so covert) free-for-all.
There's a list here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Secret_(role-playing_game)
I wish for a copy of Cutthroat Roleplaying, the thief-centric fantasy roleplaying game. I came close, once, but no cigar...
Quote from: laffingboyThere's a list here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Secret_(role-playing_game)
Thanks. I believe the adventure I'm refering to is the one called The Missile Mission, and if I remember right I had the Floating Island one too.
I'll vote for that old Top Secret Companion. I don't know where mine went . . .
Damn pilfering spies.
That was a great supplement.
Bushido.
I came close on eBay once, but was sniped - and at a price less than what I would have paid.
Serves me right for playing the eBay game.
- Q
Quote from: QuireBushido.
Ooh! I happen to have the original Phoenix Games "little black book" version. I used to misplace it every couple of years, so I store it inside my
RQ: Land of Ninja box. In fact, it's time I dragged that box back out...
!i!
Quote from: SigmundOh, and if we're including board games, Sword & Sorcery, also by SPI. I usta get the biggest kick outa Chairman Nashkund, leader of the Red Orcs of the O. R. C. (Orcish Revolutionary Council). Also dug the killer penguins, and X the Unknown :)
I've still got the game and I played the hell out of it in high school. That and Divine Right are two of my favorite board games. I've still got both of them but I wouldn't mind less worn copies of either.
I didn't realize Ringworld was rare. I bought it and thought it was interesting but never played it. As I recall the mechanics were a form of BRP and I used to buy all that stuff. It isn't a game I'm too attached to so if I ever decide to put it on Ebay I'll let you all know.
Quote from: GrimjackI've still got the game and I played the hell out of it in high school. That and Divine Right are two of my favorite board games. I've still got both of them but I wouldn't mind less worn copies of either.
I was the same, played the heck out of both of those, and War of the Ring (also by SPI) as well. I owned WoR and S&S and my brother had Divine Right. For RPGs I had DnD, Top Secret, Traveller, and eventually Shadowrun. My brother had Stormbringer, then got Battletech and the Mechwarrior RPG that went with it. We mostly played against each other, but occasionally played with friends as well. Lotsa fun.
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaOoh! I happen to have the original Phoenix Games "little black book" version. I used to misplace it every couple of years, so I store it inside my RQ: Land of Ninja box. In fact, it's time I dragged that box back out...
!i!
I've heard that Bushido is very detailed as far as info on japan. And that the system is complex. Is that true? What kind of system does it use?
Quote from: RoninI've heard that Bushido is very detailed as far as info on japan. And that the system is complex. Is that true?
I think you may be thinking of
Sengoku (http://www.sengoku.com/home.html), which, while being possibly the most historically accurate samurai-era game out there, possesses a reputation that far outstrips its actual worth. The system is very, very "meh". Buy it for the source material, but try to look past the atrocious writing.
Bushido, on the other hand, is very light in the background department. Essentially, the game explains the character classes in their historical and cultural context and assumes you have a grasp on the rest.
QuoteWhat kind of system does it use?
Bushido uses a rather complex stat+skill system that is pretty primitive by today's standards, and is probably needlessly detailed on too minute a scale. Honestly, though, it's been so long since I've actually played the thing, I can't describe the system very well.
!i!
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaI think you may be thinking of Sengoku (http://www.sengoku.com/home.html), which, while being possibly the most historically accurate samurai-era game out there, possesses a reputation that far outstrips its actual worth. The system is very, very "meh". Buy it for the source material, but try to look past the atrocious writing.
I think your right. I think I confused the two.
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaBushido, on the other hand, is very light in the background department. Essentially, the game explains the character classes in their historical and cultural context and assumes you have a grasp on the rest.Bushido uses a rather complex stat+skill system that is pretty primitive by today's standards, and is probably needlessly detailed on too minute a scale. Honestly, though, it's been so long since I've actually played the thing, I can't describe the system very well.
!i!
Thanks! I appreciate the info.:)
[EDIT] Just as a side note I own and use GURPS Japan for my japanese roleplaying. I find it a pretty good resource.
I do miss Top Secret. :)
Quote from: gale_wolf;100091Most of the stuff pops up on ebay fairly often, except the Leviathan Capital Ship Briefing which appears to be a near mythical product worth its weight in gold.
Is this still the case, I have a copy that I am preparing to sell and I am trying to find the appropriate price for the copy.
The Price of Freedom.
Quote from: teckno72;117175I do miss Top Secret. :)
You know I've been thinking about Top Secret/S.I. a lot lately. I think picking up the pocket Spycraft has got me thinking all nostalgic about spy games.
What's the difference between Top Secret and Top Secret SI?
Quote from: Balbinus;290057What's the difference between Top Secret and Top Secret SI?
The "SI"? :O
:D
-clash
I want this but can't afford that price for the novelty of it.
http://www.amazon.com/Dungeons-Dragons-Basic-Set-Miniature/dp/B000WLYTVI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237217123&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Dungeons-Dragons-Basic-Set-Miniature/dp/B000WLYTVI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237217123&sr=8-1)
Also, I'd like to find a copy of a card game we used to play back in the day called Rune something or other. I remember it had little stackable plastic jewels (rubies, sapphires, emeralds, and diamonds) and the cards were illustrated with personalities of the elements they represented.
Quote from: Balbinus;290057What's the difference between Top Secret and Top Secret SI?
SI is the 2.0 game. I dont remember the exact differences between the two. As I havent played either since the late eighties. But most people I know prefered the SI.
Quote from: Gunslinger;290078I want this but can't afford that price for the novelty of it.
http://www.amazon.com/Dungeons-Dragons-Basic-Set-Miniature/dp/B000WLYTVI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237217123&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Dungeons-Dragons-Basic-Set-Miniature/dp/B000WLYTVI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237217123&sr=8-1)
It's possible to get Moldvay much cheaper than that, particularly if you buy just the booklet (no box or module.) For instance, here (http://www.amazon.com/Dungeons-Dragons-Fantasy-Adventure-Game/dp/0935696482/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1237223258&sr=11-1).
Quote from: Balbinus;290057What's the difference between Top Secret and Top Secret SI?
For my group Top Secret SI is a much more streamlined and fast playing game. Great rules for unarmed combat. And it had a really decent run of support material. allowing you to play Cinematic Spies like Bond or Flint, or more gritty stuff like Bourne. You could even get really "Wahoo" with it and do pulp era (Agent 13 book) Near future "cyber-heroes" (F.R.E.E Lancers book), or even Mack Bolan and Able team / Phoenix Force Men's adventures (Commando book).I was in an Agent 13 pulp games a year ago and had a blast. Best of all , most of the stuff can be found on Ebay at reasonably affordable prices.
I actually own every game system I would have once mentioned here now (mostly by luck), but I would like the old Warhammer Chaos books: "Lost and the Damned", and "Slaves to Darkness", IIRC.
Quote from: GlauG;290802I actually own every game system I would have once mentioned here now (mostly by luck), but I would like the old Warhammer Chaos books: "Lost and the Damned", and "Slaves to Darkness", IIRC.
I'm in the same boat. The only thing left for me is a copy of "Lost and the Damned". I kind of miss hunting for games I wish I owned now.
I wish I owned "Les Années Folles", a FANTASTIC French boxed set detailing France in the 1920s for CoC. This is like... the Grail of French Mythos stuff. I'm going to get it, sooner or later.
Also, I really wanted to get a complete collection of AD&D hardcovers, the Original D&D (1974), the original World of Greyhawk boxed set (1983)... got all those already. What I'm looking for now is print copies of WG6 - Isle of the Ape, EX1 Dungeonland and EX2 The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror. Along with the Ruins of Catle Greyhawk, Castle Zagyg and other sources, I'd like to piece together my own version of the original campaign. I got the PDFs of these modules, but that doesn't replace print copies, really.
Off the top of my head, I'd like to get a French-speaking version of James Bond 007 (the RPG), as well.
Quote from: Caesar Slaad;99234Ringworld.
Bought this when it was £20 back in 1986, and those were the days when a boxed RPG set was £9.99!
Sold it a few years later, but re-bought it with all the supplements on Ebay. Its not going anywhere now.
Ringworld.
KoOS
I love Ringworld... lots of cool ultra-tech, weird aliens... but I think one of the big complaints back in the day was that it was just that one setting, that it didn't go into much detail about the rest of the Known Worlds setting.
Not that that's a complaint I shared...
The lost game I'd probably most like a copy of is the original black book version of Whispering Vault... which apparantly had a slightly different feel to it than the later edition.
I'd also like to find a cheap copy of the 3rd edition Kult books.
(Keeping this to OOP games and stuffs.)
As far as I can tell, the only OOP RPGs I want that I do not have is the revised Marvel Super Heroes Basic set, and Top Secret SI.
For games I want that Dragonlance War of the Lance game (Was DL 11 or 13 IIRC), Original Space Hulk and expansions, and some of the old Arcade Games as boardgames that Milton Bradley and similar companies used to put out in the 80s.
I've pretty much gotten most of what I wanted at a fair price.
The problem is getting expansion and supplemental materials for some of them.
Stuff I know I need: 1st Book of the Astronomican and Vehicle Manual for Warhammer 40K Rogue Trader. (I have both Realms of Chaos Books nyah nyah!)
Random and various modules and supplements for Basic-2nd ed AD&D focused on Ravenloft mostly.
The Gods and Demigods book for OD&D.
Lots of D6 Star Wars things.
Tobin's Spirit Guide and a couple modules for Ghostbusters.
A few bits for Car Wars including the last few ADQs, and the Military Vehicle Guide.
Cross of Iron for Squad Leader.
A lot of stuff for FASA Trek. (Since I just have the core box that had the ship game with it.)
Talislanta 1st Ed
Gatecrasher 1st ed
Nobilis
Marvel Super Heroes (though I have the pdfs downloaded)
Basically, anything that's talislanta that is out of print.
I want the Games Workshop printing of the Basic D&D book from 1977.
Why? Because the art is different. Google it for pics.
I would like to get Space Crusade, the Milton Bradley version of Space Hulk. I heard there is some kind of Tyranid expansion, but I have not seen it.
I like to collect obscure rpgs (core and near rules only), so I actually own pretty much everything mentioned on here, except The D&D related ones, Creeks and Crawdads, and Crimson Cutlass. There are a reason many of these games are obscure and didn't catch on. Yet, I love every odd moment of them.
They do take up quite a bit of space. I have like 18 boxes of them in the storage unit, 6 in the garage and three shelves on the book case.
Ringworld is worthy. Never could get people to play it. Tried. Everyone wanted to play Elric. If enough people ask, Chaoisum might re-release it, though the license expired.
I think Blood of Heroes is the only game I need to complete the collection. I want another First Edition Chivalry and Sorcery to back up my copy.
Last night I caught a wild hair and decided I wanted to get some of the Iron Kingdoms books... mostly to raid the setting for ideas.
Low and behold most all of them are out of print and going for the arm+leg price on Ebay...
From what I recall the writing in those things is pretty horrid... so I'm not sure they go onto the list of out-of-print RPGs I want... but it's interesting how quickly things go into the 'rare and valuable' category.
I wished I owned a copy of Creeks and Crawdads as well.
Rolemaster War Law (#1110)
Why? Only one I never could get my hands on for a decent price and I heard it had good mass combat rules.
I'd like a copy of SPI's Strategy One at a decent price.
Strategy 1 is not one game; rather, it is a whole system of games/simulations of the widest scope, embracing as it does the range of military-political conflict from the time of Alexander the Great up to the present and into the future. Easy adaptable for fantasy and alternate history games.
I'd also like two games from GDW, also at a decent price.
Fifth Frontier War
This was a Interstellar wargame set in the Spinward Marches that could be integrated with Traveller. Expensive when it came out, even moreso now. Superb for running a traveller campaign.
Asteroid
This was one of those quirky Boxed 120 series games designed to be played in less than two hours that featured one player playing a group of adventurers attempting to destroy a runaway mining asteroid, and the other player controls the evil brain and robots on the mining station. The players have to get in, set the self destruct, and get out of the asteroid before it detonates. Can be played in teams. Geomorphs of the station, random character and robot selection process, so never quite the same play, or strategy, works for every game.
I'd like to find a copy of Gamma World 2E, or another copy of Marvel Saga (with cards.)
ICE's ,,Lord of the Rings Adventure Game". Apparently a great game to introduce new players to RPGs.
Every Microgame that was published by Metagames. Including the bad ones.
I'd like to get my hands on another copy of the Traveler board game Azhanti High Lightning. I had a copy but I loaned it to a friend some 15 years ago and have since lost touch with him. I live in hope that the friend will turn up on Facebook so I can get back in touch and get my game back from him.
Lords of Creation tops my list right now.
What really gets me about it is this:
One day, probably around 83 or 84, my parents took my brother and I to the "Little Shop of War" in downtown Akron - a rare treat for us. There, at a table in the store, was Tom Moldvay selling his brand new game, "Lords of Creation". We knew him from the Basic set, since that's the version of the game we started on. That day, we bought Lords of Creation, which he autographed and Chateau d'Amberville, which we didn't get autographed.
My 12 or 13 year hiatus from the hobby started around 1993 (earlier for my brother) and sometime during that period, we sold all our books at a garage sale, that autographed LoC included.
So, what I really wish is not only to have a copy of it, but to have THAT copy.....
Just remembered, a copy of " the Necromican" and Erol Otus artifact card collection without paying a couple of hundread bucks for it!
I wanted a few really badly but I've now got them. I can't honestly think of any at this point that I would really dig having.
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Quote from: mrk;293760Every Microgame that was published by Metagames. Including the bad ones.
Same here.
I'd also like to find a copy of
Aboard the Death Ship, a
Traveller adventure published by Reilly Associates.
I would really like to get my hands on a copy of Simian Combat and Dinky Dungeons.
I'm another who would love to find Ringworld.
There's a wargame I saw years ago that I really wanted to buy. Can't remember the name, but it was loosly based on the vietname war and the cover depicted this weird alien-looking jungle with some space troops fighting the local natives.
A complete set of Gorka Morka would be cool. Everytime I find one it's books/maps only. I'm lazy when it comes to miniatures but if I actually found a complete box I'd probably be hard pressed not to give into temptation.