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D&D to eliminate Half-Anything

Started by GeekyBugle, April 04, 2023, 11:45:00 PM

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GhostNinja

Quote from: S'mon on April 21, 2023, 03:27:16 PM
And they annoyed Daniel "My existence is not Racist!" Kwan!

This banning of half races seems like one of those stunts 4Chan would pull, like getting the OK hand gesture declared a hateful symbol of White Supremacy. Maybe WoTC got trolled?  ???

Possibly.   I wouldn't doubt it since the management at WOTC doesn't seem all that bright.

Does anyone actually pay attention to Daniel Kwan?  He seems like an idiot.
Ghostninja

Grognard GM

Quote from: S'mon on April 21, 2023, 03:27:16 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on April 21, 2023, 03:23:30 PM
Totally agree.  It does feel like a very arbitrary decision and makes no real sense.

6e really sounds like all they are doing is rewriting 5e to make it more woke to appease people that don't even play D&D/Buy their books.

And they annoyed Daniel "My existence is not Racist!" Kwan!

This banning of half races seems like one of those stunts 4Chan would pull, like getting the OK hand gesture declared a hateful symbol of White Supremacy. Maybe WoTC got trolled?  ???

Wait, so Mr. Magicblood Asian, even though I grew up in the States, Daniel Kwan isn't even 100% Magicblood?
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

VisionStorm

Quote from: GhostNinja on April 21, 2023, 03:30:36 PM
Quote from: S'mon on April 21, 2023, 03:27:16 PM
And they annoyed Daniel "My existence is not Racist!" Kwan!

This banning of half races seems like one of those stunts 4Chan would pull, like getting the OK hand gesture declared a hateful symbol of White Supremacy. Maybe WoTC got trolled?  ???

Possibly.   I wouldn't doubt it since the management at WOTC doesn't seem all that bright.

Does anyone actually pay attention to Daniel Kwan? He seems like an idiot.

Yes. WotC pay attention to Daniel Kwan (and a group of "diversity consultants" like him).

Where do you think this brilliant idea of banning half races came from?  ;)

Elfdart

Quote from: jhkim on April 21, 2023, 12:36:28 PM
Quote from: S'mon on April 21, 2023, 01:36:06 AM
Quote from: Elfdart on April 20, 2023, 10:59:52 PM
So according to Wankers of the Coast, characters of mixed ancestry have no place in a D&D setting. So much for Morgan le Fay and Galehault (from Arthurian legend), Ravaggio (from The Orange Tree and the Bee), Valgard (from The Broken Sword), Elrond (from The Hobbit) and countless other characters from mythology, folklore, faerie tales and fantasy fiction -or FRPG characters inspired by them.

You can have mixed ancestry, but you have to fully identify with one side. Morgan Le Fay is ok as she Fully Identifies As Fay. Morgan Le Half Fay is Not OK.

Elfdart - in case you missed it, there was a clarification from WotC where they posted: 
QuoteOptions for creating characters descended from more than one species are not being removed from Dungeons & Dragons.

Proposed adjustments to character origins have been open to the community since August 2022 and will be revised further: http://spr.ly/6019OyEdH

Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/DnDBeyond/status/1644119263286812672

That links to the D&DOne documents from last year, which has this sidebar:

QuoteCHILDREN OF DIFFERENT HUMANOID KINDS

Thanks to the magical workings of the multiverse, Humanoids of different kinds sometimes have children together. For example, folk who have a human parent and an orc or an elf parent are particularly common. Many other combinations are possible.

If you'd like to play the child of such a wondrous pairing, choose two Race options that are Humanoid to represent your parents. Then determine which of those Race options provides your game traits: Size, Speed, and special traits. You can then mix and match visual characteristics—color, ear shape, and the like—of the two options. For example, if your character has a halfling and a gnome parent, you might choose Halfling for your game traits and then decide that your character has the pointed ears that are characteristic of a gnome.

Finally, determine the average of the two options' Life Span traits to figure out how long your character might live. For example, a child of a halfling and a gnome has an average life span of 288 years.

Source: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/one-dnd/character-origins

S'mon suggests that this means identifying fully with one or the other, but I don't see that in the doc. It does say that your game stats come purely from one side or the other. So Elrond or Morgan Le Fay would have elf stats, but in role-playing, the character could identify in whatever way the player likes.

With that explanation, it seems somewhat reasonable. In my own campaign, I've ruled that the various hybrids are humans. Elf + goblin = human. Ogre + pixie = human. This has nothing to do with hostility to the idea of made-up creatures doing the deed, but my own lack of interest in concocting stats for all these mixtures.
Jesus Fucking Christ, is this guy honestly that goddamned stupid? He can\'t understand the plot of a Star Wars film? We\'re not talking about "Rashomon" here, for fuck\'s sake. The plot is as linear as they come. If anything, the film tries too hard to fill in all the gaps. This guy must be a flaming retard.  --Mike Wong on Red Letter Moron\'s review of The Phantom Menace

FingerRod

Quote from: Elfdart on April 21, 2023, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: jhkim on April 21, 2023, 12:36:28 PM
Quote from: S'mon on April 21, 2023, 01:36:06 AM
Quote from: Elfdart on April 20, 2023, 10:59:52 PM
So according to Wankers of the Coast, characters of mixed ancestry have no place in a D&D setting. So much for Morgan le Fay and Galehault (from Arthurian legend), Ravaggio (from The Orange Tree and the Bee), Valgard (from The Broken Sword), Elrond (from The Hobbit) and countless other characters from mythology, folklore, faerie tales and fantasy fiction -or FRPG characters inspired by them.

You can have mixed ancestry, but you have to fully identify with one side. Morgan Le Fay is ok as she Fully Identifies As Fay. Morgan Le Half Fay is Not OK.

Elfdart - in case you missed it, there was a clarification from WotC where they posted: 
QuoteOptions for creating characters descended from more than one species are not being removed from Dungeons & Dragons.

Proposed adjustments to character origins have been open to the community since August 2022 and will be revised further: http://spr.ly/6019OyEdH

Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/DnDBeyond/status/1644119263286812672

That links to the D&DOne documents from last year, which has this sidebar:

QuoteCHILDREN OF DIFFERENT HUMANOID KINDS

Thanks to the magical workings of the multiverse, Humanoids of different kinds sometimes have children together. For example, folk who have a human parent and an orc or an elf parent are particularly common. Many other combinations are possible.

If you'd like to play the child of such a wondrous pairing, choose two Race options that are Humanoid to represent your parents. Then determine which of those Race options provides your game traits: Size, Speed, and special traits. You can then mix and match visual characteristics—color, ear shape, and the like—of the two options. For example, if your character has a halfling and a gnome parent, you might choose Halfling for your game traits and then decide that your character has the pointed ears that are characteristic of a gnome.

Finally, determine the average of the two options' Life Span traits to figure out how long your character might live. For example, a child of a halfling and a gnome has an average life span of 288 years.

Source: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/one-dnd/character-origins

S'mon suggests that this means identifying fully with one or the other, but I don't see that in the doc. It does say that your game stats come purely from one side or the other. So Elrond or Morgan Le Fay would have elf stats, but in role-playing, the character could identify in whatever way the player likes.

With that explanation, it seems somewhat reasonable. In my own campaign, I've ruled that the various hybrids are humans. Elf + goblin = human. Ogre + pixie = human. This has nothing to do with hostility to the idea of made-up creatures doing the deed, but my own lack of interest in concocting stats for all these mixtures.

That is shockingly reasonable, and probably the only answer that really matters.

Separate from that, it is arbitrary. This entire half-whatever stance by WotC is as shallow as anything Crawford has produced.

Psyckosama

Quote from: Elfdart on April 21, 2023, 08:00:27 PM
With that explanation, it seems somewhat reasonable. In my own campaign, I've ruled that the various hybrids are humans. Elf + goblin = human. Ogre + pixie = human. This has nothing to do with hostility to the idea of made-up creatures doing the deed, but my own lack of interest in concocting stats for all these mixtures.

Heh.

I'd have gone Elf+Goblin = Halfling and Ogre + Pixie = physically improbable. :p