Quote from: Brad on March 29, 2023, 12:26:24 PM

I have no idea what axe you have to grind with Gary Gygax, but you're demonstrably incorrect about ever assertion you've made in this thread. Not to mention you literally cannot read.

I'm glad that Gary and Dave created D&D, because it spawned the hobby that has given me joy and has helped me meet new friends for many years.

Quote from: Grognard GM on March 24, 2023, 08:25:28 PM
Just the latest in line for "we claim this I.P. and want to milk it for money and propaganda purposes, while shitting all over the creator, and demanding everything be changed."

Yep. At this rate I'll live to see him denounced in the pages of a game that he named and is in the credits for prior editions. The virtue signal will be a full page and the first one realized, as Evil Hat did with their "Lovecraft is a racist but we want the money his fans have" FATE game they put out.

I guess another question we have to ask ourselves is this:

Are those people on Reddit actually gamers who are actively playing or are they just idiots arguing about a game they have never read or play

If they are not actively playing or reading D&D or other games, why do we care what they think?

Since Gary Gygax was addressing me in that discussion thread from 2005, I'd like to point out a couple of things:

1) While I disagreed slightly with him on the business of "good" PCs killing prisoners in cold blood in D&D, it was a matter of something I considered bad taste -nothing more. At no point did I think EGG was some kind of monster*. For these peckerheads to dredge up that thread out of context is not only despicable, but shows a real hate-on for a man who has been dead now for FIFTEEN YEARS.

2) Like any reader who is not a total cretin, I took Gygax's idea of killing newly converted monsters/NPCs before they could go back to their wicked ways in the tongue-in-cheek way it was given. After all, no real orcs are being summarily executed. It's like watching Dirty Harry or Lethal Weapon where cops blow away bad guys all over town. Some people might find the violence stupid or gratuitous (or both), but that doesn't make the folks who enjoy those movies bad people. In other words, just as Callahan, Riggs and Murtaugh are considered "good" in those movies, so a holy knight smiting baddies without mercy is "good" in a GAME. I can't wait for the morons in that Reddit forum to demand funerals for all the sailors who die when kids play Battleship.

* In fact, he agreed with my solutions to avoid having such scenarios in the first place.

Quote from: Elfdart on April 04, 2023, 12:12:49 AM
Since Gary Gygax was addressing me in that discussion thread from 2005, I'd like to point out a couple of things:

1) While I disagreed slightly with him on the business of "good" PCs killing prisoners in cold blood in D&D, it was a matter of something I considered bad taste -nothing more. At no point did I think EGG was some kind of monster*. For these peckerheads to dredge up that thread out of context is not only despicable, but shows a real hate-on for a man who has been dead now for FIFTEEN YEARS.

This is a fair point.

Quote from: Elfdart on April 04, 2023, 12:12:49 AM2) Like any reader who is not a total cretin, I took Gygax's idea of killing newly converted monsters/NPCs before they could go back to their wicked ways in the tongue-in-cheek way it was given. After all, no real orcs are being summarily executed. It's like watching Dirty Harry or Lethal Weapon where cops blow away bad guys all over town. Some people might find the violence stupid or gratuitous (or both), but that doesn't make the folks who enjoy those movies bad people. In other words, just as Callahan, Riggs and Murtaugh are considered "good" in those movies, so a holy knight smiting baddies without mercy is "good" in a GAME. I can't wait for the morons in that Reddit forum to demand funerals for all the sailors who die when kids play Battleship.

* In fact, he agreed with my solutions to avoid having such scenarios in the first place.

Yep.  If you aren't having fun then whats the point of playing?  It's an Elfgame not real life.  Sometimes people can take these games too seriously.

Quote from: Elfdart on April 04, 2023, 12:12:49 AM
Since Gary Gygax was addressing me in that discussion thread from 2005, I'd like to point out a couple of things:

1) While I disagreed slightly with him on the business of "good" PCs killing prisoners in cold blood in D&D, it was a matter of something I considered bad taste -nothing more. At no point did I think EGG was some kind of monster*. For these peckerheads to dredge up that thread out of context is not only despicable, but shows a real hate-on for a man who has been dead now for FIFTEEN YEARS.

2) Like any reader who is not a total cretin, I took Gygax's idea of killing newly converted monsters/NPCs before they could go back to their wicked ways in the tongue-in-cheek way it was given. After all, no real orcs are being summarily executed. It's like watching Dirty Harry or Lethal Weapon where cops blow away bad guys all over town. Some people might find the violence stupid or gratuitous (or both), but that doesn't make the folks who enjoy those movies bad people. In other words, just as Callahan, Riggs and Murtaugh are considered "good" in those movies, so a holy knight smiting baddies without mercy is "good" in a GAME. I can't wait for the morons in that Reddit forum to demand funerals for all the sailors who die when kids play Battleship.

* In fact, he agreed with my solutions to avoid having such scenarios in the first place.

Well when you hear the leftards make the same claims, you have to go to the thread, read the context and then explain to the zombies, that no they don't understand what was written because they took thier marching orders from Twitter and didn't have the intellectual curiousity to read the actual text from Gygax himself.  When they actually read it then they have to answer for the crap and they can't, they just piss off.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 04, 2023, 10:21:09 AM
Well when you hear the leftards make the same claims, you have to go to the thread, read the context and then explain to the zombies, that no they don't understand what was written because they took their marching orders from Twitter and didn't have the intellectual curiosity to read the actual text from Gygax himself.  When they actually read it then they have to answer for the crap and they can't, they just piss off.

I doubt they are smart enough or care enough to listen to reason.  Besides, anything that goes against their narrative is BAD.

It just takes the wind out of their sails and it inoculates anyone who reads the post when they realize they were lied to.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on April 04, 2023, 12:01:49 PM
It just takes the wind out of their sails and it inoculates anyone who reads the post when they realize they were lied to.

Every bit helps.  Anything that takes the wind out of the SJW's sails is a victory.