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Greyhawk will be DMG 2024 Center Stage Setting, including maps

Started by Mistwell, May 14, 2024, 08:08:29 PM

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Eirikrautha

Quote from: Brad on May 30, 2024, 05:17:07 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on May 30, 2024, 04:58:12 PMI thought the purpose of the alternate cover was to make you want to buy it, too?

That cover is trash.

Grognads bitched about Elmore replacing Easely and Otus. Now we get this.

You are comparing Elmore and Easely to that cover?  You need an optometrist...
"Testosterone levels vary widely among women, just like other secondary sex characteristics like breast size or body hair. If you eliminate anyone with elevated testosterone, it's like eliminating athletes because their boobs aren't big enough or because they're too hairy." -- jhkim

Brad

Quote from: Eirikrautha on May 30, 2024, 05:23:11 PMYou are comparing Elmore and Easely to that cover?  You need an optometrist...

Haha, no way man. I was making a joke about how people complained about Elmore when you get THIS. It's like saying you can't believe someone got vanilla over chocolate ice cream then a dude shows up with dog shit flavor.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Eirikrautha

Quote from: Brad on May 30, 2024, 05:28:42 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on May 30, 2024, 05:23:11 PMYou are comparing Elmore and Easely to that cover?  You need an optometrist...

Haha, no way man. I was making a joke about how people complained about Elmore when you get THIS. It's like saying you can't believe someone got vanilla over chocolate ice cream then a dude shows up with dog shit flavor.

My bad!  I couldn't fathom that you were serious... and you weren't.  So that's me too quick on the trigger.
"Testosterone levels vary widely among women, just like other secondary sex characteristics like breast size or body hair. If you eliminate anyone with elevated testosterone, it's like eliminating athletes because their boobs aren't big enough or because they're too hairy." -- jhkim

zer0th

Quote from: Mistwell on May 30, 2024, 04:25:16 PMAlt DMG cover is Lloth

Llolth has now anime elf ears?! Maybe I am wrong and there's prior western art showing elves with such ears, but my brain associates with anime. It could be something out of Sword World.

HappyDaze

Quote from: zer0th on June 04, 2024, 01:01:55 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on May 30, 2024, 04:25:16 PMAlt DMG cover is Lloth

Llolth has now anime elf ears?! Maybe I am wrong and there's prior western art showing elves with such ears, but my brain associates with anime. It could be something out of Sword World.
I'm more concerned with the bones of her forearms showing through. She needs to eat more (and keep it down).

Insane Nerd Ramblings

Quote from: zer0th on June 04, 2024, 01:01:55 PMLlolth has now anime elf ears?! Maybe I am wrong and there's prior western art showing elves with such ears, but my brain associates with anime. It could be something out of Sword World.

Well, Sword World (Forcelia) was always technically manga/anime-style.
"My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs)" - JRR Tolkien

"Democracy too is a religion. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses." HL Mencken

blackstone

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 20, 2024, 09:54:05 PM
Quote from: Jaeger on May 20, 2024, 08:00:44 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on May 20, 2024, 07:34:02 PMDo you feel this way about representation of other peoples, or just of gay people?

DEI, ESG, and any other type of woke "representation", inclusion and diversity is also fake and gay.

But if you like all your RPG settings to look like a combination of Downtown L.A., and an SF pride parade; You do you.


Quote from: HappyDaze on May 20, 2024, 07:34:02 PMAnd you saying that they hate you doesn't make it so, they more likely just find your homophobia abhorrent.



Disgust is not fear.

Calling someone a "homophobe" is just an attempt at rhetorically framing normal people that still have a disgust reflex into "bad guys".   


And yes, they hate me.

The pro-sodomy groomer brigade is very open about their feelings towards those that don't agree with them.


Quote from: HappyDaze on May 20, 2024, 07:34:02 PMAs for not giving them your money, that's your choice. Ultimately, they probably are not worried about losing you as a customer.


Having a married gay couple does not make a setting "look like a combination of Downtown L.A., and an SF pride parade" unless you already have a very warped view of reality.

Disgust is not fear, but there are close associations in how the brain processes the two. However, that's a moot point because the common use of the term homophobia is not specifically tied to fear, but to a range of prejudicial behaviors against homosexuals. And yes, by your own words, you appear quite homophobic to me. Beyond that, you seem to be the one with a fixation on beig hateful.

Isn't that cute. You think you're a psychologist. How quaint.

Now to the point: why is it so fucking important to make them gay? To what end does it play into the overall campaign?

Answer: it's not important because is contributes ZERO to the overall campaign. It's meaningless. Nobody gives a fuck if they are gay or not, so why EXPLICTILY SAY IT?

Virtue signaling, that's why. IT'S OBVIOUS.

IT's like they're putting big neon red arrow over them saying "LOOK! THE CHARACTERS ARE GAY! WOW! HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE! WE'RE AN ALLY! SEE! SEE!"

IT's pathetic and meaningless.
1. I'm a married homeowner with a career and kids. I won life. You can't insult me.

2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

SHARK

Quote from: blackstone on June 05, 2024, 03:00:12 PMIsn't that cute. You think you're a psychologist. How quaint.

Now to the point: why is it so fucking important to make them gay? To what end does it play into the overall campaign?

Answer: it's not important because is contributes ZERO to the overall campaign. It's meaningless. Nobody gives a fuck if they are gay or not, so why EXPLICTILY SAY IT?

Virtue signaling, that's why. IT'S OBVIOUS.

IT's like they're putting big neon red arrow over them saying "LOOK! THE CHARACTERS ARE GAY! WOW! HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE! WE'RE AN ALLY! SEE! SEE!"

IT's pathetic and meaningless.

Greetings!

Well, yes, my friend. That is all very true--to an extent.

However, the "Elephant In The Room" so to speak is the deeper purpose and motive for them doing so, which is what primarily motivates them to begin with. It is not meaningless, or frivolous.

It is designed with three primary goals in mind;

(1) Encourage all of the groomer rainbow degenerates in their degeneracy and perversion.
(2) Demoralize and purposely offend all of the normal majority, by constantly assaulting them with such degeneracy, and to inspire them with despair and hopelessness.
(3) The third main goal is to promote the degeneracy, and to make rainbow perversion normalized, within society. This constant propaganda proceeds to worm its way into the consciousness of the audience, and inspiring new converts to embrace the degeneracy, and to further corrupt normal people's moral revulsion, disgust, and disapproval of the degenerate rainbow lifestyle.

Thus, constantly including rainbow degeneracy in every book and module does indeed very much have a purpose. It does not matter how "minor" or "insignificant" that some people may choose to interpret these additions. They are all part of the ants biting the elephant, one bite at a time--with the goal of devouring the elephant, and achieving victory.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

blackstone

Quote from: SHARK on June 05, 2024, 03:53:07 PM
Quote from: blackstone on June 05, 2024, 03:00:12 PMIsn't that cute. You think you're a psychologist. How quaint.

Now to the point: why is it so fucking important to make them gay? To what end does it play into the overall campaign?

Answer: it's not important because is contributes ZERO to the overall campaign. It's meaningless. Nobody gives a fuck if they are gay or not, so why EXPLICTILY SAY IT?

Virtue signaling, that's why. IT'S OBVIOUS.

IT's like they're putting big neon red arrow over them saying "LOOK! THE CHARACTERS ARE GAY! WOW! HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE! WE'RE AN ALLY! SEE! SEE!"

IT's pathetic and meaningless.

Greetings!

Well, yes, my friend. That is all very true--to an extent.

However, the "Elephant In The Room" so to speak is the deeper purpose and motive for them doing so, which is what primarily motivates them to begin with. It is not meaningless, or frivolous.

It is designed with three primary goals in mind;

(1) Encourage all of the groomer rainbow degenerates in their degeneracy and perversion.
(2) Demoralize and purposely offend all of the normal majority, by constantly assaulting them with such degeneracy, and to inspire them with despair and hopelessness.
(3) The third main goal is to promote the degeneracy, and to make rainbow perversion normalized, within society. This constant propaganda proceeds to worm its way into the consciousness of the audience, and inspiring new converts to embrace the degeneracy, and to further corrupt normal people's moral revulsion, disgust, and disapproval of the degenerate rainbow lifestyle.

Thus, constantly including rainbow degeneracy in every book and module does indeed very much have a purpose. It does not matter how "minor" or "insignificant" that some people may choose to interpret these additions. They are all part of the ants biting the elephant, one bite at a time--with the goal of devouring the elephant, and achieving victory.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I do agree that there are those within WoTC who are true believers of the woke agenda (D.E.I) and thus their motivation. But, I also think they have their "useful idiots" who are just virtue signaling.
1. I'm a married homeowner with a career and kids. I won life. You can't insult me.

2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

HappyDaze

Quote from: blackstone on June 05, 2024, 03:00:12 PMAnswer: it's not important because is contributes ZERO to the overall campaign. It's meaningless. Nobody gives a fuck if they are gay or not, so why EXPLICTILY SAY IT?
You seem to care. If it really didn't matter to you, why EXPICITLY SAY IT?
Quote from: blackstone on June 05, 2024, 03:00:12 PMVirtue signaling, that's why. IT'S OBVIOUS.
Vice signaling, that's why. IT'S OBVIOUS.

Omega

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on June 05, 2024, 03:52:17 AM
Quote from: zer0th on June 04, 2024, 01:01:55 PMLlolth has now anime elf ears?! Maybe I am wrong and there's prior western art showing elves with such ears, but my brain associates with anime. It could be something out of Sword World.

Well, Sword World (Forcelia) was always technically manga/anime-style.

They actually did not start quite that way. But kind of evolved artistically over the course of the original Development. Deed had long ears. But they were up and back-swept initially in the original replay article art.

blackstone

Quote from: HappyDaze on June 06, 2024, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: blackstone on June 05, 2024, 03:00:12 PMAnswer: it's not important because is contributes ZERO to the overall campaign. It's meaningless. Nobody gives a fuck if they are gay or not, so why EXPLICTILY SAY IT?
You seem to care. If it really didn't matter to you, why EXPICITLY SAY IT?
Quote from: blackstone on June 05, 2024, 03:00:12 PMVirtue signaling, that's why. IT'S OBVIOUS.
Vice signaling, that's why. IT'S OBVIOUS.

When your rebuttal reduces down to childish twisting of words, you have no argument and therefore cannot rebut what I've said. I'm done with you.
1. I'm a married homeowner with a career and kids. I won life. You can't insult me.

2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

Corolinth

Quote from: HappyDaze on June 06, 2024, 11:14:03 AM
Quote from: blackstone on June 05, 2024, 03:00:12 PMAnswer: it's not important because is contributes ZERO to the overall campaign. It's meaningless. Nobody gives a fuck if they are gay or not, so why EXPLICTILY SAY IT?
You seem to care. If it really didn't matter to you, why EXPICITLY SAY IT?
Quote from: blackstone on June 05, 2024, 03:00:12 PMVirtue signaling, that's why. IT'S OBVIOUS.
Vice signaling, that's why. IT'S OBVIOUS.

I don't know about everyone else here, but I remember supporting the live and let live paradigm before it was cool, back when evangelical christians held a lot more cultural power. I had friends "come out of the closet" back when gay people actually risked losing friends for that. Those days are long gone in the English-speaking world. Our societies haven't been like that for a long time. I'm not going to pretend that they are just so that someone can feel good about themselves for putting a rainbow flag in their Twatterz profile. You're not an "ally". You're some Johnny-come-lately who wants everybody to clap about how accepting you are long after the world changed.

You're too late to be a hero, and too late to be cool. It's the 2020s version of all the white boomer liberals who want everyone to think they're some kind of civil rights legends, when the reality is they were all in high school or younger, and their parents never would have let them out of the house to travel hundreds of miles and march with Martin Luther King Jr.

Chris24601

Quote from: SHARK on June 05, 2024, 03:53:07 PM
Quote from: blackstone on June 05, 2024, 03:00:12 PMIsn't that cute. You think you're a psychologist. How quaint.

Now to the point: why is it so fucking important to make them gay? To what end does it play into the overall campaign?

Answer: it's not important because is contributes ZERO to the overall campaign. It's meaningless. Nobody gives a fuck if they are gay or not, so why EXPLICTILY SAY IT?

Virtue signaling, that's why. IT'S OBVIOUS.

IT's like they're putting big neon red arrow over them saying "LOOK! THE CHARACTERS ARE GAY! WOW! HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE! WE'RE AN ALLY! SEE! SEE!"

IT's pathetic and meaningless.

Greetings!

Well, yes, my friend. That is all very true--to an extent.

However, the "Elephant In The Room" so to speak is the deeper purpose and motive for them doing so, which is what primarily motivates them to begin with. It is not meaningless, or frivolous.

It is designed with three primary goals in mind;

(1) Encourage all of the groomer rainbow degenerates in their degeneracy and perversion.
(2) Demoralize and purposely offend all of the normal majority, by constantly assaulting them with such degeneracy, and to inspire them with despair and hopelessness.
(3) The third main goal is to promote the degeneracy, and to make rainbow perversion normalized, within society. This constant propaganda proceeds to worm its way into the consciousness of the audience, and inspiring new converts to embrace the degeneracy, and to further corrupt normal people's moral revulsion, disgust, and disapproval of the degenerate rainbow lifestyle.

Thus, constantly including rainbow degeneracy in every book and module does indeed very much have a purpose. It does not matter how "minor" or "insignificant" that some people may choose to interpret these additions. They are all part of the ants biting the elephant, one bite at a time--with the goal of devouring the elephant, and achieving victory.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I can make it even simpler in terms of their purpose; they're no talent hacks incapable of creating anything of worth so, out of envy, they seek to destroy everything good that others have created so that it becomes as awful as their own "creations."

That's why they can't leave the past alone; they must defile the past so general audiences hate it as much as they do. They steal the work of others and warp it into something that makes you see the original as lesser than it was.

They're vandals and should be treated as such.

Omega

Since they are pushing the D&D Cartoon characters. Will this mean the kids get translated to Greyhawk now?

That will place them in all the major D&D settings other than Eberron.