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Greyhawk will be DMG 2024 Center Stage Setting, including maps

Started by Mistwell, May 14, 2024, 08:08:29 PM

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Omega

Quote from: Jaeger on May 21, 2024, 04:33:36 PMFYI: There is a Quote Selected text function now guys.

I've been using it. But its buggy as hell.

Back on topic. Thinking on this. Best case scenario is a repeat of how they did it in the PHB. Just some footnoted about the gods, maybe a mention some place names.

SHARK

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 21, 2024, 01:01:19 AM
Quote from: SHARK on May 21, 2024, 12:38:16 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on May 20, 2024, 11:19:37 PM
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Quote from: HappyDaze on May 20, 2024, 06:37:00 PMThe presence of explicitly gay characters in a D&D setting does not make it "Not D&D" in any appreciable way. How does having them in there hurt the product?

Because it's disgusting.

Why would anyone want disgusting content in their rpg?

The people at wotc hate everyone that does not like the continual insertion of disgusting gay content in rpg's.

And I won't give money to people that hate me.

Greetings!

Yes, my friend, you are quite right. It is very disgusting. Corrupt, filthy degeneracy should not be promoted or celebrated, but steadfastly and ruthlessly condemned.

WOTC and sodomites like Crawford are continually committed to and seeking to normalize their corrupt degeneracy through what they include in the game books, and how they go about framing it. WOTC and degenerates should be opposed and criticized everywhere, tirelessly. Let the degenerates burn! The groomers are coming out everywhere in society, seeking to promote their disgusting, degenerate ways.

And, of course, we can see the reprobate jello-brained helpers that eagerly seek to provide support for the degenerates.

WOTC will obviously fill Greyhawk with corruption and degeneracy. Crawford has as much explicitly said so. That is what WOTC does now. That is who WOTC is.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
SHARK again shows his lack of Christian values and failed committment to protect the rights of all Americans regardless of whether they are different from him.

Gay people that make games want to put gay characters into their products of their make-believe game worlds. Somehow, internet tough guys everywhere are threatened and have to buck up to protect...somebody...from this great evil.

Greetings!

Yeah, I am not a Rainbow Barney-kind of heretic "Christian" popular in many apostate churches nowadays. I'm the Old School kind of Christian. DEUS VULT.

The gays have Thirsty Sword Lesbians! *Laughing*

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Really? You're going to throw out Deus vult--a line now strongly associated with white supremacy and hate groups--as your response?

OK, so you're that type of Christian...

You just keep on wondering why so many of the sensible Christians fall into your "apostates" box as you go further down your crazy-ass rabbit hole.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Well, you see, unlike you, I take the Scriptures seriously. The "Sensible Christians" that you speak of are not typically "Sensible" at all--nor are they genuine, Bible-believing Christians. They are wicked, degenerate rebels that hate God. They hate righteousness and truth. They hate sound doctrine. The Scriptures talk about these kinds of "Sensible Christians." They are actually of the world, and enemies to Christ. They go after seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. They eagerly seek to have their ears tickled. They stand in the gate, and rejoice in the approval and favour of THE WORLD. They not only seek to wallow in their own depravity, and exalt their own pride, sin, and wickedness, but they also heartily approve of others that are even more depraved and degenerate than they themselves. They scorn righteousness and sound doctrine, preferring lies and corruption. We can see this everywhere in society today--"They shall call what is Good, Evil, and what is Evil, Good. They are heretics, and they are doomed to be judged in wrath and fire, unless they repent of their sin and throw themselves at Christ's feet and beg forgiveness.

Going down rabbit holes? *Laughing* Well, that is far better than going down the road to Hell, like these heretics. The worldly, all-accepting, spineless, inoffensive heretic "Christian" that has gained the praise and approval of the World are rebels against God, and God shall judge them in wrath, fire, and vengeance. Revelations discusses the heretic churches--just like all of these fake, heretic "Christians" that reject sound doctrine and Biblical truth, as they exalt women as priestesses, promote abortion, celebrate divorce and feminism, and LGBTQ+alphebet soup agendas. This is clearly seen with the Methodists in America. Or the Unitarians. They are all corrupt heretics, and will be damned by God's wrath and judgment. The fake, heretic churches in the Letters to the Churches are where their sins and wickedness is exposed. One of these kinds of corrupt, heretic churches, is the church that exalts "Love". It is not true love, and they reject God's discipline, wrath, and justice. "Love is Love!" and "All is LOVE!"--such expressions are actually heresy, and mocking God's truth. Such ideologies and doctrines promoted by these corrupt, heretic churches are distortions and evil, seeking to twist and contort God's Word into being a sweet thing that is acceptable and approved of by the World. So, these "Sensible Christians" are not truly Christians at all, but are heretics. They are fools, thinking themselves wise, but they are doomed to the fires of Hell.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

SHARK

Quote from: Omega on May 22, 2024, 05:45:37 AM
Quote from: Jaeger on May 21, 2024, 04:33:36 PMFYI: There is a Quote Selected text function now guys.

I've been using it. But its buggy as hell.

Back on topic. Thinking on this. Best case scenario is a repeat of how they did it in the PHB. Just some footnoted about the gods, maybe a mention some place names.

Greetings!

Yes, I suspect that this is the approach that WOTC is likely to take. *Laughing* It is a low effort level, and well, we have seen them do precisely this kind of minimalist effort before, like with 3E.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

HappyDaze

Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 06:25:36 AMGreetings!

*Laughing* Well, you see, unlike you, I take the Scriptures seriously. The "Sensible Christians" that you speak of are not typically "Sensible" at all--nor are they genuine, Bible-believing Christians. They are wicked, degenerate rebels that hate God. They hate righteousness and truth. They hate sound doctrine. The Scriptures talk about these kinds of "Sensible Christians." They are actually of the world, and enemies to Christ. They go after seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. They eagerly seek to have their ears tickled. They stand in the gate, and rejoice in the approval and favour of THE WORLD. They not only seek to wallow in their own depravity, and exalt their own pride, sin, and wickedness, but they also heartily approve of others that are even more depraved and degenerate than they themselves. They scorn righteousness and sound doctrine, preferring lies and corruption. We can see this everywhere in society today--"They shall call what is Good, Evil, and what is Evil, Good. They are heretics, and they are doomed to be judged in wrath and fire, unless they repent of their sin and throw themselves at Christ's feet and beg forgiveness.

Going down rabbit holes? *Laughing* Well, that is far better than going down the road to Hell, like these heretics. The worldly, all-accepting, spineless, inoffensive heretic "Christian" that has gained the praise and approval of the World are rebels against God, and God shall judge them in wrath, fire, and vengeance. Revelations discusses the heretic churches--just like all of these fake, heretic "Christians" that reject sound doctrine and Biblical truth, as they exalt women as priestesses, promote abortion, celebrate divorce and feminism, and LGBTQ+alphebet soup agendas. This is clearly seen with the Methodists in America. Or the Unitarians. They are all corrupt heretics, and will be damned by God's wrath and judgment. The fake, heretic churches in the Letters to the Churches are where their sins and wickedness is exposed. One of these kinds of corrupt, heretic churches, is the church that exalts "Love". It is not true love, and they reject God's discipline, wrath, and justice. "Love is Love!" and "All is LOVE!"--such expressions are actually heresy, and mocking God's truth. Such ideologies and doctrines promoted by these corrupt, heretic churches are distortions and evil, seeking to twist and contort God's Word into being a sweet thing that is acceptable and approved of by the World. So, these "Sensible Christians" are not truly Christians at all, but are heretics. They are fools, thinking themselves wise, but they are doomed to the fires of Hell.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Refresh yourself on scripture. Read Romans 14: 10-13 and recognize that your false pride is not a good thing.

Insane Nerd Ramblings

Quote from: Thor's Nads on May 21, 2024, 08:38:06 PMI, for one, am looking forward to WotC rebooting The Scourge of the Slavelords in the Greyhawk setting, from a woke perspective.

TSR's first reboot was bad enough. WotCs will have all the slaves be natives from the Amedio Jungle and Hepmonaland. And the Commander of the Hill Fort (A2), Icar, will be made a white man cause 'black men cannot be slavers'.
"My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs)" - JRR Tolkien

"Democracy too is a religion. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses." HL Mencken

SHARK

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 22, 2024, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 06:25:36 AMGreetings!

*Laughing* Well, you see, unlike you, I take the Scriptures seriously. The "Sensible Christians" that you speak of are not typically "Sensible" at all--nor are they genuine, Bible-believing Christians. They are wicked, degenerate rebels that hate God. They hate righteousness and truth. They hate sound doctrine. The Scriptures talk about these kinds of "Sensible Christians." They are actually of the world, and enemies to Christ. They go after seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. They eagerly seek to have their ears tickled. They stand in the gate, and rejoice in the approval and favour of THE WORLD. They not only seek to wallow in their own depravity, and exalt their own pride, sin, and wickedness, but they also heartily approve of others that are even more depraved and degenerate than they themselves. They scorn righteousness and sound doctrine, preferring lies and corruption. We can see this everywhere in society today--"They shall call what is Good, Evil, and what is Evil, Good. They are heretics, and they are doomed to be judged in wrath and fire, unless they repent of their sin and throw themselves at Christ's feet and beg forgiveness.

Going down rabbit holes? *Laughing* Well, that is far better than going down the road to Hell, like these heretics. The worldly, all-accepting, spineless, inoffensive heretic "Christian" that has gained the praise and approval of the World are rebels against God, and God shall judge them in wrath, fire, and vengeance. Revelations discusses the heretic churches--just like all of these fake, heretic "Christians" that reject sound doctrine and Biblical truth, as they exalt women as priestesses, promote abortion, celebrate divorce and feminism, and LGBTQ+alphebet soup agendas. This is clearly seen with the Methodists in America. Or the Unitarians. They are all corrupt heretics, and will be damned by God's wrath and judgment. The fake, heretic churches in the Letters to the Churches are where their sins and wickedness is exposed. One of these kinds of corrupt, heretic churches, is the church that exalts "Love". It is not true love, and they reject God's discipline, wrath, and justice. "Love is Love!" and "All is LOVE!"--such expressions are actually heresy, and mocking God's truth. Such ideologies and doctrines promoted by these corrupt, heretic churches are distortions and evil, seeking to twist and contort God's Word into being a sweet thing that is acceptable and approved of by the World. So, these "Sensible Christians" are not truly Christians at all, but are heretics. They are fools, thinking themselves wise, but they are doomed to the fires of Hell.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Refresh yourself on scripture. Read Romans 14: 10-13 and recognize that your false pride is not a good thing.

Greetings!

Yes, Romans 14: 10-13 concerns various attributes of fellow Christians, whether some observe various festival days, the eating of different meats, and so on. There is liberty in Christ. The verses of Romans do not support fellow Christians to embrace heresy, and doctrines of seducing spirits and demons. As several excellent preachers have described such heretic, fake "Christians" as "Preaching a different Gospel," and of "Following after a different Christ." The Scriptures, as I alluded to several, strongly condemn such heretics.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

jeff37923

Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on May 22, 2024, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 06:25:36 AMGreetings!

*Laughing* Well, you see, unlike you, I take the Scriptures seriously. The "Sensible Christians" that you speak of are not typically "Sensible" at all--nor are they genuine, Bible-believing Christians. They are wicked, degenerate rebels that hate God. They hate righteousness and truth. They hate sound doctrine. The Scriptures talk about these kinds of "Sensible Christians." They are actually of the world, and enemies to Christ. They go after seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. They eagerly seek to have their ears tickled. They stand in the gate, and rejoice in the approval and favour of THE WORLD. They not only seek to wallow in their own depravity, and exalt their own pride, sin, and wickedness, but they also heartily approve of others that are even more depraved and degenerate than they themselves. They scorn righteousness and sound doctrine, preferring lies and corruption. We can see this everywhere in society today--"They shall call what is Good, Evil, and what is Evil, Good. They are heretics, and they are doomed to be judged in wrath and fire, unless they repent of their sin and throw themselves at Christ's feet and beg forgiveness.

Going down rabbit holes? *Laughing* Well, that is far better than going down the road to Hell, like these heretics. The worldly, all-accepting, spineless, inoffensive heretic "Christian" that has gained the praise and approval of the World are rebels against God, and God shall judge them in wrath, fire, and vengeance. Revelations discusses the heretic churches--just like all of these fake, heretic "Christians" that reject sound doctrine and Biblical truth, as they exalt women as priestesses, promote abortion, celebrate divorce and feminism, and LGBTQ+alphebet soup agendas. This is clearly seen with the Methodists in America. Or the Unitarians. They are all corrupt heretics, and will be damned by God's wrath and judgment. The fake, heretic churches in the Letters to the Churches are where their sins and wickedness is exposed. One of these kinds of corrupt, heretic churches, is the church that exalts "Love". It is not true love, and they reject God's discipline, wrath, and justice. "Love is Love!" and "All is LOVE!"--such expressions are actually heresy, and mocking God's truth. Such ideologies and doctrines promoted by these corrupt, heretic churches are distortions and evil, seeking to twist and contort God's Word into being a sweet thing that is acceptable and approved of by the World. So, these "Sensible Christians" are not truly Christians at all, but are heretics. They are fools, thinking themselves wise, but they are doomed to the fires of Hell.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Refresh yourself on scripture. Read Romans 14: 10-13 and recognize that your false pride is not a good thing.

Greetings!

Yes, Romans 14: 10-13 concerns various attributes of fellow Christians, whether some observe various festival days, the eating of different meats, and so on. There is liberty in Christ. The verses of Romans do not support fellow Christians to embrace heresy, and doctrines of seducing spirits and demons. As several excellent preachers have described such heretic, fake "Christians" as "Preaching a different Gospel," and of "Following after a different Christ." The Scriptures, as I alluded to several, strongly condemn such heretics.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

For Example - If you do not think that there is a special place in Hell waiting for Joel Olsteen, then you may need to reassess your Christianity....
"Meh."

jhkim

Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 06:25:36 AMThe worldly, all-accepting, spineless, inoffensive heretic "Christian" that has gained the praise and approval of the World are rebels against God, and God shall judge them in wrath, fire, and vengeance. Revelations discusses the heretic churches--just like all of these fake, heretic "Christians" that reject sound doctrine and Biblical truth, as they exalt women as priestesses, promote abortion, celebrate divorce and feminism, and LGBTQ+alphebet soup agendas. This is clearly seen with the Methodists in America. Or the Unitarians. They are all corrupt heretics, and will be damned by God's wrath and judgment.

Add Presbyterians, Congregationalists, and Lutherans to that list, at the very least. I grew up in the 1970s with a woman pastor in my Presbyterian church.

I'd add that I regularly go to interfaith events, and my UU church has gotten along quite well with synagogues, Latter Day Saints, Catholics, and others. Even though we have doctrinal differences, they have welcomed us and been happy to have us there - singing songs, praying, food distribution, etc.

Just this week I interviewed for a job at a Catholic school, and they emphasized building moral character in the kids. I asked if there was any potential clash between my being an active UU and that, and they said no.

These differences are small compared to encouraging loving thy neighbor as thyself - bringing peace, caring, and understanding to the world. SHARK, you frequently call for your enemies to be bathed in napalm - whereas most of the churchgoing Christians I meet in real life find that sort of talk repellent.

Omega

Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 06:28:42 AMYes, I suspect that this is the approach that WOTC is likely to take.

5-10 years ago I'd think so. But wotc has become increasingly insane and if even a tenth of the things they have talked about for fake 5e see print. Greyhawk will be the absolute least of our worries.

Jaeger

Quote from: jhkim on May 21, 2024, 09:44:12 PMJaeger -- I'm not sure about your point regarding Christianity. Do you think that D&D should only portray strict Christian virtues in the normal and heroic people portrayed.

You're smarter than this John.


Quote from: jhkim on May 21, 2024, 09:44:12 PMI consider myself a Christian, but I'll go on record that I had sex with my wife long before we were married. That is clearly described as sin, but I don't lose any sleep over it.

You show that you already get it.

Because as much as you may try to equivocate, you know the truth in your heart; and you are not presenting your past sins as a something that should be seen as a universal good and normalized.


Quote from: jhkim on May 21, 2024, 09:44:12 PMI tend to have games that are generally in line with my values, but that doesn't mean my fictional worlds all have to conform to Christian laws. I can have fictional pagan gods and more, because it's just a frickin game.

In the normal course of things this is true.

We know the in-game pagan gods are not real, and no one is trying to pass off in-game amorality as something normal and good.

But Wotc has put themselves on the record that they are explicitly going to do just that: Present homosexuality, a sin, as something that is both normal and good.

Receipts given in a previou post: "Crawford told me that publisher Wizards of the Coast is making D&D more gay, and why that's a great thing."

No, the normalization of sin is not a great thing. It is empirically a Bad thing.

It is explicitly antithetical to Christian Morality.

So it is only natural and good for those that consider themselves Christians to be opposed to LGBTQP normalization propaganda being intentionally inserted into RPG's.
"The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge."

SHARK

Quote from: jeff37923 on May 22, 2024, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on May 22, 2024, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 06:25:36 AMGreetings!

*Laughing* Well, you see, unlike you, I take the Scriptures seriously. The "Sensible Christians" that you speak of are not typically "Sensible" at all--nor are they genuine, Bible-believing Christians. They are wicked, degenerate rebels that hate God. They hate righteousness and truth. They hate sound doctrine. The Scriptures talk about these kinds of "Sensible Christians." They are actually of the world, and enemies to Christ. They go after seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. They eagerly seek to have their ears tickled. They stand in the gate, and rejoice in the approval and favour of THE WORLD. They not only seek to wallow in their own depravity, and exalt their own pride, sin, and wickedness, but they also heartily approve of others that are even more depraved and degenerate than they themselves. They scorn righteousness and sound doctrine, preferring lies and corruption. We can see this everywhere in society today--"They shall call what is Good, Evil, and what is Evil, Good. They are heretics, and they are doomed to be judged in wrath and fire, unless they repent of their sin and throw themselves at Christ's feet and beg forgiveness.

Going down rabbit holes? *Laughing* Well, that is far better than going down the road to Hell, like these heretics. The worldly, all-accepting, spineless, inoffensive heretic "Christian" that has gained the praise and approval of the World are rebels against God, and God shall judge them in wrath, fire, and vengeance. Revelations discusses the heretic churches--just like all of these fake, heretic "Christians" that reject sound doctrine and Biblical truth, as they exalt women as priestesses, promote abortion, celebrate divorce and feminism, and LGBTQ+alphebet soup agendas. This is clearly seen with the Methodists in America. Or the Unitarians. They are all corrupt heretics, and will be damned by God's wrath and judgment. The fake, heretic churches in the Letters to the Churches are where their sins and wickedness is exposed. One of these kinds of corrupt, heretic churches, is the church that exalts "Love". It is not true love, and they reject God's discipline, wrath, and justice. "Love is Love!" and "All is LOVE!"--such expressions are actually heresy, and mocking God's truth. Such ideologies and doctrines promoted by these corrupt, heretic churches are distortions and evil, seeking to twist and contort God's Word into being a sweet thing that is acceptable and approved of by the World. So, these "Sensible Christians" are not truly Christians at all, but are heretics. They are fools, thinking themselves wise, but they are doomed to the fires of Hell.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Refresh yourself on scripture. Read Romans 14: 10-13 and recognize that your false pride is not a good thing.

Greetings!

Yes, Romans 14: 10-13 concerns various attributes of fellow Christians, whether some observe various festival days, the eating of different meats, and so on. There is liberty in Christ. The verses of Romans do not support fellow Christians to embrace heresy, and doctrines of seducing spirits and demons. As several excellent preachers have described such heretic, fake "Christians" as "Preaching a different Gospel," and of "Following after a different Christ." The Scriptures, as I alluded to several, strongly condemn such heretics.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

For Example - If you do not think that there is a special place in Hell waiting for Joel Olsteen, then you may need to reassess your Christianity....

Greetings!

*Laughing*! Yes, very true, brother! Sad, Olsteen is such a Charlatan! Slick, huge smile, always preaching sugar. It is like he is totally given over to "Tickling the congregation's ears." Exactly like I was referencing, brother. These kinds of False Preachers are careful to never preach anything about the truth of Scripture. They cherry-pick only the lightest, easiest verses in Scripture, then wrap it up in corruption, and preach only what is pleasing to the congregation. Of course Charlatans like him never preach anything that offends anyone. They preach a Rainbow Barney Gospel. Just like that stupid Purple Dinosaur. And the money keeps rolling into his bank accounts.

We see so many of the churches embracing filthy heresy nowadays. You see splits going on everywhere. Like I have told several of my friends, yes, expect divisions! Expect scandals and biting! You will see fighting break out, as just about all of these denominations--all of them, really--will all come to a point, where they will eagerly embrace the heresy of The World. They embrace a Barney Christianity, where LGBTQ is embraced, where women priestesses and feminism is embraced, where abortion is embraced, divorce, and on and on. Look at them! Watch how they all compromise, and justify their wicked, false gospel! As they do this, yes, there are also some conservative remnant that breaks away, and says "NO" to embracing the worldly philosophy of the age, and of heresy. The faithful remnant that seeks to stay true to the Scriptures, and the Lord. The stampede is on now, as all of these evil cattle, eagerly gather together to bow down to Satan. They are worshipping a "Different Christ". They are following a Barney Christianity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

honeydipperdavid

Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 06:19:35 PM
Quote from: jeff37923 on May 22, 2024, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on May 22, 2024, 10:42:17 AM
Quote from: SHARK on May 22, 2024, 06:25:36 AMGreetings!

*Laughing* Well, you see, unlike you, I take the Scriptures seriously. The "Sensible Christians" that you speak of are not typically "Sensible" at all--nor are they genuine, Bible-believing Christians. They are wicked, degenerate rebels that hate God. They hate righteousness and truth. They hate sound doctrine. The Scriptures talk about these kinds of "Sensible Christians." They are actually of the world, and enemies to Christ. They go after seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. They eagerly seek to have their ears tickled. They stand in the gate, and rejoice in the approval and favour of THE WORLD. They not only seek to wallow in their own depravity, and exalt their own pride, sin, and wickedness, but they also heartily approve of others that are even more depraved and degenerate than they themselves. They scorn righteousness and sound doctrine, preferring lies and corruption. We can see this everywhere in society today--"They shall call what is Good, Evil, and what is Evil, Good. They are heretics, and they are doomed to be judged in wrath and fire, unless they repent of their sin and throw themselves at Christ's feet and beg forgiveness.

Going down rabbit holes? *Laughing* Well, that is far better than going down the road to Hell, like these heretics. The worldly, all-accepting, spineless, inoffensive heretic "Christian" that has gained the praise and approval of the World are rebels against God, and God shall judge them in wrath, fire, and vengeance. Revelations discusses the heretic churches--just like all of these fake, heretic "Christians" that reject sound doctrine and Biblical truth, as they exalt women as priestesses, promote abortion, celebrate divorce and feminism, and LGBTQ+alphebet soup agendas. This is clearly seen with the Methodists in America. Or the Unitarians. They are all corrupt heretics, and will be damned by God's wrath and judgment. The fake, heretic churches in the Letters to the Churches are where their sins and wickedness is exposed. One of these kinds of corrupt, heretic churches, is the church that exalts "Love". It is not true love, and they reject God's discipline, wrath, and justice. "Love is Love!" and "All is LOVE!"--such expressions are actually heresy, and mocking God's truth. Such ideologies and doctrines promoted by these corrupt, heretic churches are distortions and evil, seeking to twist and contort God's Word into being a sweet thing that is acceptable and approved of by the World. So, these "Sensible Christians" are not truly Christians at all, but are heretics. They are fools, thinking themselves wise, but they are doomed to the fires of Hell.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Refresh yourself on scripture. Read Romans 14: 10-13 and recognize that your false pride is not a good thing.

Greetings!

Yes, Romans 14: 10-13 concerns various attributes of fellow Christians, whether some observe various festival days, the eating of different meats, and so on. There is liberty in Christ. The verses of Romans do not support fellow Christians to embrace heresy, and doctrines of seducing spirits and demons. As several excellent preachers have described such heretic, fake "Christians" as "Preaching a different Gospel," and of "Following after a different Christ." The Scriptures, as I alluded to several, strongly condemn such heretics.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

For Example - If you do not think that there is a special place in Hell waiting for Joel Olsteen, then you may need to reassess your Christianity....

Greetings!

*Laughing*! Yes, very true, brother! Sad, Olsteen is such a Charlatan! Slick, huge smile, always preaching sugar. It is like he is totally given over to "Tickling the congregation's ears." Exactly like I was referencing, brother. These kinds of False Preachers are careful to never preach anything about the truth of Scripture. They cherry-pick only the lightest, easiest verses in Scripture, then wrap it up in corruption, and preach only what is pleasing to the congregation. Of course Charlatans like him never preach anything that offends anyone. They preach a Rainbow Barney Gospel. Just like that stupid Purple Dinosaur. And the money keeps rolling into his bank accounts.

We see so many of the churches embracing filthy heresy nowadays. You see splits going on everywhere. Like I have told several of my friends, yes, expect divisions! Expect scandals and biting! You will see fighting break out, as just about all of these denominations--all of them, really--will all come to a point, where they will eagerly embrace the heresy of The World. They embrace a Barney Christianity, where LGBTQ is embraced, where women priestesses and feminism is embraced, where abortion is embraced, divorce, and on and on. Look at them! Watch how they all compromise, and justify their wicked, false gospel! As they do this, yes, there are also some conservative remnant that breaks away, and says "NO" to embracing the worldly philosophy of the age, and of heresy. The faithful remnant that seeks to stay true to the Scriptures, and the Lord. The stampede is on now, as all of these evil cattle, eagerly gather together to bow down to Satan. They are worshipping a "Different Christ". They are following a Barney Christianity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

You see a female pastor you get the hell out of that church before the blasphemy begins.  The worst blasphemy I've seen 9 times out 10, female pastors.  Here is this little nugget of disgust to enjoy:


To which the reply from the congregation should be: Bitch, Deuteronomy 22:5

Rather than creating their own new pagan church, they take down a church that was paid for by christians and turn it into a scum sucking hole in the ground while the parishioner's leave.

KindaMeh

Not really sure how things in this thread came to an off-topic rejoicing in the alleged hellfire soon to be experienced by other congregations and Christian sects. What I will say about that from my own personal perspective, is that if one accepts Christ as their savior and sincerely tries to follow His way and example, minor doctrinal errors seem unlikely to be as important as what is sacrificed in an attempt to aid others and affirm fellowship and obeisance to the Trinity. The Pharisees and similar teachers of the law may have understood and followed the law God had indeed to some solid extent given them. But ultimately it was shown that they as humans could not be truly righteous themselves, nor save themselves fully from sin through action under said law. Our devotion and commitment to the living God is what ultimately matters most. I'm not the best theologian out there, but that's my two cents on that.

So even though I'm more conservative than many within the Methodist church I  am part of in my understanding of God's law, I would argue that what will actually determine where they and I wind up respectively... is far more likely our devotion to Christ, personal faith in and connection to God, and willingness to do His will, especially when called to it. I do believe in God's justice just as much as His love, but I also don't think that as followers of Christ we should ever gloat when we think others within the flock have stumbled. Nor that we should assume our understanding of the law, even as presented by our understanding of the Bible, is more important than trying to follow Christ and give obeisance to the divine. Salvation comes by Grace and by openness to doing God's will even at personal cost, not by our own personal knowledge and goodness.

I think therefore that everyone here who believes in Christ and sincerely acts within their daily lives in the matter they feel honors him and his principles will go to heaven. Even if we may disagree at times as to some of the particulars.

Mistwell

Guys, if you keep discussing your religion without anything about RPGs, you risk Pundit banning your ass. What part of this warning was unclear?


KindaMeh

I really should have noticed and asked this before, but is it that you get one warning wherein you are thread banned, and then if you are thread banned elsewhere you're permabanned?


Also, to get back to the topic at hand, how much Greyhawk-specific setting content do we think will actually make it into the DMG and its rules specifically? I'm betting little, and that most of it will be performative or revisions. Partly because I had heard the new version was scrapping alignment among other things.