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Greyhawk Question

Started by Settembrini, September 04, 2006, 05:37:28 PM

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Settembrini

September 04, 2006, 05:37:28 PM
Fellas, I need help:

For giving the Hand of Vecna to my beloved Godess and Lady of Vain: Wee Jas, my character was made pope of oerth!

I don't know that much about the church organization, so were can I find out more about the Wee Jas Cult in  Oerth?
Which supplements to look for?
 
How much gold, how many temples, how many adherents?
Holy sites?

So far my character was totally into the spiritual and necromantic side of the faith, but now he has to become all statesmenlike.
Which I dig.
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jrients

#1
September 04, 2006, 06:47:29 PM
I don't know of any resources that can help you, but I'm not the world's most rigorous Greyhawk fan.  I basically replied to your post to say Wee Jas appointing you Pope of Oerth for giving her the Hand of Vecna is pretty awesome.
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flyingmice

#2
September 04, 2006, 06:59:20 PM
Well, Vecna is still around. He may be looking for that hand...

:O

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Settembrini

#3
September 05, 2006, 01:21:57 AM
QuoteI basically replied to your post to say Wee Jas appointing you Pope of Oerth for giving her the Hand of Vecna is pretty awesome.

It's the stuff I game for. How mega-cool. Actually I quickly took the Hand after defeating Vecna's Champion and used prayer candles in the morning to get access to a ninth grade spell. I then communed with Wee Jas, if she'd allow my visit and then "gated" to her palace in Acheron, bowing and presenting the artifact.
What a moment.

The GM was totally taken by surprise, thought a while about it, and then settled for it being totally cool. Now Wee Jas will be blackmailing Vecna for some eons to come.
My secret hope is to find the eye too, and then force that dawg of a half baked maimed god, to hand over the portfolio for "secrets" to Wee Jas.
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cnath.rm

#4
September 05, 2006, 08:04:27 AM
Quote from: SettembriniThe GM was totally taken by surprise, thought a while about it, and then settled for it being totally cool. Now Wee Jas will be blackmailing Vecna for some eons to come.
My secret hope is to find the eye too, and then force that dawg of a half baked maimed god, to hand over the portfolio for "secrets" to Wee Jas.
Rock on!!  Sounds like a great game session, and some good work on your GM's part as well.

The only books that I can think of offhand would be the Living Greyhawk gaz, and Dieties and Demigods maybe?

Oh, if nothing else your pc should start watching his back, anytime someone jumps to the top of the power structure there will be people who get ticked. You are favored of the Lady, but she may not always be watching... :D
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cnath.rm

#5
September 05, 2006, 08:12:21 AM
More info on the general game would be cool too if you feel like writing it up, it sounds like a fun game to me. :)
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cnath.rm

#6
September 05, 2006, 09:28:54 AM
I asked on the greytalk list and they pointed me here:

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/HouseofWeeJas/
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Welcome to the House of Wee Jas. The House of Wee Jas is a player organization for the Living Greyhawk campaign dedicated to discussing and developing the religion of Wee Jas, as well as providing a strong trans-regional group for characters within the Living Greyhawk campaign itself who revere the Stern Lady to join.
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There was also I guess an issue of Dragon that covered it, but nobody knew
the issue number offhand.
"Dr.Who and CoC are, on the level of what the characters in it do, unbelievably freaking similar. The main difference is that in Dr. Who, Nyarlathotep is on your side, in the form of the Doctor."
-RPGPundit, discovering how BRP could be perfect for a DR Who campaign.

Take care Nothingland. You were always one of the most ridiculously good-looking sites on the internets, and the web too. I\'ll miss you.  -"Derek Zoolander MD" at a site long gone.

cnath.rm

#7
September 05, 2006, 11:10:42 AM
Just got a great reply, posting it below as he gave permission. :D According to one possible reading your pc just became even more of a pope then you were thinking...

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I would refer anyone first to Dragon #88 for the purest interpretation of Wee Jas, then "gvdammerung"'s articles on Wee Jas at Canonfire, such as http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=580, that will help define Wee Jas' cosmoligical role.
 
Little of that helps with the details of her church's structure, of course, but here I think the players in question are falling into the mistake of monotheistic thinking so common to gamers.  In a pantheistic setting, Wee Jas would be just one deity of the Suel pantheon and the structure of the Suel church as a whole would need to be considered, not just Wee Jas worship alone -- which would be merely a cult, then, and in no position to appoint a pope with any real authority.  Likewise, a pope of Wee Jas would actually be the Pope of the Suel Church, by this thinking.
 
You can share that with your other group.
 
Scott "-enkainen" Casper
Yak-Men miss Pope Ug...
"Dr.Who and CoC are, on the level of what the characters in it do, unbelievably freaking similar. The main difference is that in Dr. Who, Nyarlathotep is on your side, in the form of the Doctor."
-RPGPundit, discovering how BRP could be perfect for a DR Who campaign.

Take care Nothingland. You were always one of the most ridiculously good-looking sites on the internets, and the web too. I\'ll miss you.  -"Derek Zoolander MD" at a site long gone.

jrients

#8
September 05, 2006, 11:40:58 AM
"I think the players in question are falling into the mistake of monotheistic thinking so common to gamers."

I dunno.  I think at times the setting itself makes the same mistake, so that pantheons with monotheistic structures bolted-on may be a solid approach to Greyhawk.
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cnath.rm

#9
September 05, 2006, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: jrients"I think the players in question are falling into the mistake of monotheistic thinking so common to gamers."

I dunno.  I think at times the setting itself makes the same mistake, so that pantheons with monotheistic structures bolted-on may be a solid approach to Greyhawk.
I would agree with that.  More info I just got via e-mail, I'm going to guess that the cf is cannonfire:
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Ok, here's a list of most of the info on the Stern Lady.

World of Greyhawk
Dragon 88 - "Gods of the Suel Pantheon"
From the Ashes
Planescape - On Hallowed Ground
Oerth Journal 07 - "Wee Jas The Lady of Book and Bone"
The Scarlet Brotherhood
LGG
PHB
Manual of the Planes (see Acheron)
Deities & Demigods
Complete Divine
Complete Arcane (Patron Deities)
cf! has a couple articles entitled "Wee Jas Dissected" and "Wee Jas Resurrected"
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"Dr.Who and CoC are, on the level of what the characters in it do, unbelievably freaking similar. The main difference is that in Dr. Who, Nyarlathotep is on your side, in the form of the Doctor."
-RPGPundit, discovering how BRP could be perfect for a DR Who campaign.

Take care Nothingland. You were always one of the most ridiculously good-looking sites on the internets, and the web too. I\'ll miss you.  -"Derek Zoolander MD" at a site long gone.

Settembrini

#10
September 05, 2006, 12:23:38 PM
Ultra kewl material!

And even a "source criticism"! It's terrific!
Sad I didn't know about the Archpriest prestige class earlier :-(
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

cnath.rm

#11
September 05, 2006, 12:34:45 PM
And one of the coolest parts for me is that my current char, Ftr1/Wiz11 is a worshiper for Wee Jas, so I will have the extra info now too. (not that it will really come into play r/now, the party is about to be going up against a Vampiric worshiper of Hekate, and then it's back to fighting the minions of Orcus, but I think I can work in a line or two here and there.)

I'm thrilled with the responce from the Greytalk list, totally recommend it to anyone who is wanting to run a game in Greyhawk.
"Dr.Who and CoC are, on the level of what the characters in it do, unbelievably freaking similar. The main difference is that in Dr. Who, Nyarlathotep is on your side, in the form of the Doctor."
-RPGPundit, discovering how BRP could be perfect for a DR Who campaign.

Take care Nothingland. You were always one of the most ridiculously good-looking sites on the internets, and the web too. I\'ll miss you.  -"Derek Zoolander MD" at a site long gone.

S. John Ross

#12
September 05, 2006, 12:41:27 PM
As I had recorded in my previous volumes, the name of the arch-lich Vecna is rarely spoken, for fear of arousing the spirit of this malevolent creature of foul evil. I know now that even placing the name to paper was a mistake, for soon dungeon-delvers combed the lands of the Flanaess for the Hand and Eye of Vecna, coveting their foul power for themselves. Now, in my last years, I can reveal that the Hand and Eye were not the only surviving parts of that horrible lich . . .

The Buttock of Vecna appears as a mummified part, easily mistaken for a small ham or chicken roll. However, it bears a dweomer nearly as potent as the other, more well known parts. To use the evil buttock, one's own buttock must be first removed, and the evil one put in it's place. It will graft itself to the user's body permanently, and may not be removed without slaying the host.

The host may use the Minor Powers of the Buttock without fear, but any use of the Major abilities of the artifact will instantly alter the host's alignment to Neutral Evil. All powers are activated by various muscular "flexings," and the DM should devise these in advance, requiring players to experiment to find the abilities of the artifact.

Among the rumored abilities of the Buttock are Hypnotic Pattern (the victim must see at least the Buttock's outline to be hypnotized), and the ability to Remove Curse once per day, by a single touch. Note that companions of the host are known to covet the Buttock, and will stop at nothing to steal it.
S. John Ross
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Abyssal Maw

#13
September 05, 2006, 12:47:53 PM
QuoteNote that companions of the host are known to covet the Buttock, and will stop at nothing to steal it.

Note that companions of the host are known to covet the Buttock, and will stop at nothing to get their hands on it.

Who doesn't covet the Buttock?
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cnath.rm

#14
September 05, 2006, 07:55:35 PM
Settembrini, one of the posters to the graytalk list who replied to my info request is wondering, where is your campaign set offhand?
"Dr.Who and CoC are, on the level of what the characters in it do, unbelievably freaking similar. The main difference is that in Dr. Who, Nyarlathotep is on your side, in the form of the Doctor."
-RPGPundit, discovering how BRP could be perfect for a DR Who campaign.

Take care Nothingland. You were always one of the most ridiculously good-looking sites on the internets, and the web too. I\'ll miss you.  -"Derek Zoolander MD" at a site long gone.
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