Quote from: Simlasa;836005Look like Chaosium is cleaning out the warhouse a bit... they just announced a big sale . Looks like 50% off monographs for both BRP and CoC... and %75 off any old Elric/Stormbringer stuff they've got left laying around. Even the FF boardgames are on deal...
I might have break open the piggy bank for this...

  Licensed BRP products are on sale too. I'm tempted by Merrie England and the Classic Fantasy monograph ...

Quote from: Simlasa;835962The art is a mix of stuff from older Elric/Stormbringer editions... some new bits or stuff I don't recognize.

There is some random art taken from RQ3.

Just got the sale announcement in my e-mail. Will have to see what they have. I like Chaosium in general, although they don't make any of the games I like anymore (Pendragon, Superworld, Prince Valiant, Ghostbusters) anymore aside from Call of Cthulhu, and I'm not interested in a new version of that. Maybe they have some modules available, I hope.

Quote from: danskmacabre;836004Thinking about it further, what does MW have that SB5 doesn't?
Assuming I was going to run an RPG in the Young Kingdoms anyway?

Nothing, really. MW just cribbed from SB5, removed the Young Kingdoms, and substituted a poor layout. Well-intentioned, and it's actually a decent, non-broken game, but for a Young Kingdoms campaign I'd just stick with what you've got.

Although Advanced Sorcery seems to be a nice compilation of Bronze Grimoire and other material which is hard to get now.

Dammit, Mythic Iceland isn't in print anymore?

Oh well...got Merrie England, Crusaders of the Amber Coast, and Blood Tide.  What a bargain.

Quote from: The_Shadow;836010Nothing, really. MW just cribbed from SB5, removed the Young Kingdoms, and substituted a poor layout. Well-intentioned, and it's actually a decent, non-broken game, but for a Young Kingdoms campaign I'd just stick with what you've got.

Although Advanced Sorcery seems to be a nice compilation of Bronze Grimoire and other material which is hard to get now.

Ah ok, good to know.
Still, I'll probably get the 2 books one day if I ever run Stormbringer (or something with that mood) again, even if it's just for a read and see if there's anything I don't already have.
I do have the Bronze Grimoire somewhere.

Seeing as I'll probably buy a physical copy of the new Rolemaster when/if it comes out, knowing I'll probably never run it, as I don't know anyone locally who would want to play it, getting the MW books doesn't seem that ridiculous really.
It wouldn't be the first time I've bought an RPG just for a good read, rather than actually use it.  

Quote from: Simlasa;836005Look like Chaosium is cleaning out the warhouse a bit... they just announced a big sale . Looks like 50% off monographs for both BRP and CoC... and %75 off any old Elric/Stormbringer stuff they've got left laying around. Even the FF boardgames are on deal.

I might have break open the piggy bank for this...

Yeah, I just put in a big order to round off my Nephilim collection (50% off all Nephilim stuff, BTW) and grab just about every BRP and CoC monograph they had in stock that I felt even a twinge of interest in.

Sandy was mentioning on the YSDC podcast that their first task was going to be looking over the warehouse and tossing any dusty ol' Nephilim books and other unwanted bits in the dumpster - evidently, there's so much Nephilim crap taking up room that they decided it was better to sell it off anyway.

The fact that you can pop to this sale and buy basically the entire Nephilim product line, in print, 20 years after that game sank without a trace, kind of says it all about how Chaosium was managed (or, rather, wasn't) in the absence of Greg and Sandy - the Nephilim fire sale could and should have happened 15 years ago already. It would be an illustrative exercise to calculate just how much rental money had been spent over the years over the warehouse take all that Nephilim stuff has occupied over the years.

Well, if nothing else this has me convinced that Greg and Sandy are pulling their socks up and actually getting to work. (I notice the Chaosium front page is now serving up links to the main Glorantha page and Sandy's Cthulhu Wars main page.)

On the long term expectations, I'm not sure we will see so much of Magic World in the future; given how good relations are between Greg and Design Mechanism I wouldn't be too surprised to see them bringing Runequest 6 into the Chaosium tent (despite all that's gone wrong with Chaosium over the years, I reckon they still have enough of a strong distribution setup and a high enough profile that DM will benefit from that), and it doesn't really make sense for a company to try and support two fantasy RPGs that are so similar at their core. Look to Magic World to make  a simplified "beginner's Runequst"? Absolutely, but don't make Magic World and Runequest compete with each other, you've got enough competition out there from OpenQuest and the like.

On the matter of things like OpenQuest, I'd also be interested to see if Chaosium attempt to reach out to them and to outfits like Cakebread & Walton (the Clockwork and Chivalry guys, whose Renaissance system is a mod of OpenQuest optimised for black powder) and mmmmmmaybe even Mongoose. In terms of IP they can't put the OGL genie back in the bottle, but if they can make Chaosium's web presence and DriveThru store a one-stop shop for RQ-derived OGL goodness, then they can at least get some benefit out of those products.

As far as Chaosium's own games go, I suspect we'll see Nocturnal's current Pendragon line get prominently promoted and sold via Chaosium, and I agree that it'd be nice for them to go chase down some of their old licences. That said, Michael Moorcock hasn't had a very happy relationship with Chaosium in the past, so getting more Stormbringer/Hawkmoon action could be wishful thinking. If Mike's issues stem from Charlie Krank's stewardship of Chaosium then he might feel a bit happier about working with them in the future now that Krank and family are no longer in the picture, but at the same time it sounds like he's happy with Mongoose's custodianship of the licence and so there doesn't seem to be a good reason for him to change.

As far as other games go, Chaosium probably need to start exploring other genres. Fantasy is ably covered by RQ/Magic World/core BRP and supplements, and Call of Cthulhu serves horror and investigative games so well that any variants on those themes would be best served as being supplements to the respective game lines. I imagine that an attempt at a Superworld revival could manifest at some point, particularly if Chaosium happen to land any suitable licences ("Teen Titans, powered by the Superworld system!"), and it's well past time we had a definitive BRP-based sci-fi game. (There was Ringworld, but I understand that that game had issues here and there with its system.)

Charlie Krank's e-mail and name are still on the receipt you get when you buy from them.

I'm not seeing it, then again I paid via PayPal.

Probably worth contacting Chaosium about so they can fix it, it's almost certainly an oversight. (They probably haven't dumped his headed notepaper in the recycling or taken his name off his office door yet either.)

Quote from: Warthur;836073As far as Chaosium's own games go, I suspect we'll see Nocturnal's current Pendragon line get prominently promoted and sold via Chaosium, and I agree that it'd be nice for them to go chase down some of their old licences. That said, Michael Moorcock hasn't had a very happy relationship with Chaosium in the past, so getting more Stormbringer/Hawkmoon action could be wishful thinking. If Mike's issues stem from Charlie Krank's stewardship of Chaosium then he might feel a bit happier about working with them in the future now that Krank and family are no longer in the picture, but at the same time it sounds like he's happy with Mongoose's custodianship of the licence and so there doesn't seem to be a good reason for him to change.

Mongoose dropped the Elric and general Moorcock stuff a few years ago.
I don't know if they've actually lost the license or just stopped making stuff.
But atm no-one is making any Moorcock based RPG.
If Chaosium could patch it up with Moorcock, that'd be great.

Quote from: danskmacabre;836104Mongoose dropped the Elric and general Moorcock stuff a few years ago.
I don't know if they've actually lost the license or just stopped making stuff.

I think they lost it alone with the RuneQuest moniker.  I remember reading something along those lines.  But my memory being what it's not, I could be wrong.  Anyone have the real details?

Quote from: danskmacabre;836104But atm no-one is making any Moorcock based RPG.
If Chaosium could patch it up with Moorcock, that'd be great.

Sadly, I got the impression that even if Chaosium were willing, Moorcock is not.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;836105I think they lost it alone with the RuneQuest moniker.  I remember reading something along those lines.  But my memory being what it's not, I could be wrong.  Anyone have the real details?

I did ask on the Mongoose forums some years back if they'd actually lost the license to the Stormbringer RPG or just stopped supporting it.
However I got no reply after repeatedly asking. I gave up asking in the end.  
The whole Elric line was the main reason I was using MRQ2/Legend at all. I was never a Glorantha fan, so RQ itself didn't particularly interest me.
I don't really have the patience to run a Legend/MRQ2/RQ6 game now, it's just too fiddly for me these days.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;836105Sadly, I got the impression that even if Chaosium were willing, Moorcock is not.

Yes, I think you're right. I have seen some posts by Moorcock a while back and he seemed to have gotten a pretty raw deal from Chaosium and he seemed understandably pretty annoyed about it at the time.

Well, SB5 is good enough and for the time being, until something else comes up, I'll just use that if I ever get to run it again.
Perhaps if Chaosium drop Magic World, I might get it on sale or something at a later stage. Or more likely I'll just buy it someday when I get the urge.

Magic World PDF has just been updated to Revised version 1.1 with all known errata included! I'm super happy they hired Ben Monroe and are supporting all their products now. Maybe they can fix Blood Tide next ..

Quote from: mkfort;836142Magic World PDF has just been updated to Revised version 1.1 with all known errata included! I'm super happy they hired Ben Monroe and are supporting all their products now. Maybe they can fix Blood Tide next ..

Wait, what's wrong with Blood Tide? Just ordered the damned thing (at a discount, but still).

Quote from: Matt;836147Wait, what's wrong with Blood Tide? Just ordered the damned thing (at a discount, but still).

I have a hard time rendering the PDF. Maybe you will have better luck or the physical book. I don't know of anything wrong with the rules.