Quote from: Tristram Evans;939470Walmart employs overseas slave labour for the  production of its goods, chooses its employees from the economically disenfranchised specifically so they can pay them below a living wage and enforce unpaid overtime, and has wreaked more economic damage to North America than any corrupt banker or politician. Walmart has literally directly created ghost towns. Yet people still choose to shop there because to them all that matters is that they get some stuff cheap. Because they have that exact same attitude;it's not their responsibility where their money goes.

Sorry, that dog don't hunt.

Lol - people who don't understand economics.  Wal-mart, by making goods cheap - actually raises the general standard of living.  (Yes - some people were hurt when their stores went out of business too.  That's progress.  Should we disallow factories because they put the old blacksmiths out of work?)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a03_1230452567

Quote from: CRKrueger;939495I meant staying with Myfarog, not this site.  The controversy caused you to buy it, I can understand that, I've purchased things simply to spite SJWs myself.  What's cool about the system?
Percentile, Dice Pool, d20?
Classes or classless?
Combat have hit points or wounds and hit locations?
Magic is shamanic, rune-based, just like D&D or what?

Ohh...

The first thing that appealed to me about the game was its what I consider to be low fantasy.  Its magic system is based on Northern European mythology, drudaic, spiritualism and ritualistic or ceremonial. Every spell is connected to a natural element, and governed by a Deity or several; it is obviously a polytheistic system as well.  Most magic is summoning, control based or enhancers (charms) to activities.  There are no +4 flaming, vorpal blades of kick-assdom.  There are no wizards shooting lightning bolts from their eyes and fireballs from their asses, etc....

Got to go, be back later to finish response...

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;939496Lol - people who don't understand economics.  Wal-mart, by making goods cheap - actually raises the general standard of living.  (Yes - some people were hurt when their stores went out of business too.  That's progress.  Should we disallow factories because they put the old blacksmiths out of work?)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a03_1230452567

Walmart only makes those goods cheap by relying on goods purchased in mass quantities from other countries and from paying their employees wages so low that part-timers qualify for medicaid and food stamps.  

We're not paying the cost at the register.
We're paying the cost in the payroll taxes leveled on wage earners to pay for the programs to support Walmart employees.
We're paying the cost in infrastructure due to Walmart's use of roads and ports that they don't get taxed enough to repair.
We're paying the cost socially, educationally and medically in seeing Rural America slowly morph into Walmart Company Town Ghettos while small business owners who don't have the political juice to get tax laws passed in their favor are no longer providing a stable tax base for communities to support decent schools and hospitals.

That Walmart price tag?  Double it and you're maybe closer to the mark.

Quote from: CRKrueger;939500Walmart only makes those goods cheap by relying on goods purchased in mass quantities from other countries and from paying their employees wages so low that part-timers qualify for medicaid and food stamps.  

We're not paying the cost at the register.
We're paying the cost in the payroll taxes leveled on wage earners to pay for the programs to support Walmart employees.
We're paying the cost in infrastructure due to Walmart's use of roads and ports that they don't get taxed enough to repair.
We're paying the cost socially, educationally and medically in seeing Rural America slowly morph into Walmart Company Town Ghettos while small business owners who don't have the political juice to get tax laws passed in their favor are no longer providing a stable tax base for communities to support decent schools and hospitals.

That Walmart price tag?  Double it and you're maybe closer to the mark.

Makes me think my cyberpunk homebrew wasn't far off the mark;).

Quote from: CRKrueger;939500Walmart only makes those goods cheap by relying on goods purchased in mass quantities from other countries and from paying their employees wages so low that part-timers qualify for medicaid and food stamps.  

We're not paying the cost at the register.
We're paying the cost in the payroll taxes leveled on wage earners to pay for the programs to support Walmart employees.
We're paying the cost in infrastructure due to Walmart's use of roads and ports that they don't get taxed enough to repair.
We're paying the cost socially, educationally and medically in seeing Rural America slowly morph into Walmart Company Town Ghettos while small business owners who don't have the political juice to get tax laws passed in their favor are no longer providing a stable tax base for communities to support decent schools and hospitals.

That Walmart price tag?  Double it and you're maybe closer to the mark.

Amen. When politicians talk policy shit about "helping the small businessman" I always ask "what small businessman?" There ain't too many left.

Quote from: CRKrueger;939500Walmart only makes those goods cheap by relying on goods purchased in mass quantities from other countries and from paying their employees wages so low that part-timers qualify for medicaid and food stamps.  

We're not paying the cost at the register.
We're paying the cost in the payroll taxes leveled on wage earners to pay for the programs to support Walmart employees.
We're paying the cost in infrastructure due to Walmart's use of roads and ports that they don't get taxed enough to repair.
We're paying the cost socially, educationally and medically in seeing Rural America slowly morph into Walmart Company Town Ghettos while small business owners who don't have the political juice to get tax laws passed in their favor are no longer providing a stable tax base for communities to support decent schools and hospitals.

That Walmart price tag?  Double it and you're maybe closer to the mark.

1. You're making a lot of assumptions I consider flawed - such as assuming that their workers would magically get better jobs if Wal-mart didn't exist etc.

2. x2 cost (also a BS #) is still probably cheaper than a lot of those mom & pop places would otherwise cost.

I was interested in Myfarog for a moment when I first heard of it. Didn't know who Varg was so I even subscribed to him on Youtube for a while and watched his gaming vids. The original version of the game reminded me a bit of Runequest 6 and GURPS... was trying for the sort of gritty quasi-historical fantasy I like.
Reviews by other folks generally seemed positive... so long as they didn't know who Varg was.

My understanding is he's since changed the rules to be far less crunchy... but I'd still like to see a copy and decide for myself if I think it's of any value.

I unsubscribed to his Youtube channel for pretty much the same reasons I stopped reading Pundit's blog... but I don't regret buying Pundit's games.

Quote from: Simlasa;939548I was interested in Myfarog for a moment when I first heard of it. Didn't know who Varg was so I even subscribed to him on Youtube for a while and watched his gaming vids. The original version of the game reminded me a bit of Runequest 6 and GURPS... was trying for the sort of gritty quasi-historical fantasy I like.
Reviews by other folks generally seemed positive... so long as they didn't know who Varg was.

My understanding is he's since changed the rules to be far less crunchy... but I'd still like to see a copy and decide for myself if I think it's of any value.

I unsubscribed to his Youtube channel for pretty much the same reasons I stopped reading Pundit's blog... but I don't regret buying Pundit's games.

The newest edition (2.6) is not as crunchy as 2.4, which I'm told was a vast improvement over 2.0 or 1.0.  The other advantage of 2.6 is that for an additional $1 it combined three supplements, thus saving the buyer over $16.00.  

The other major positive of the game is its online player community on FB.  With well over 600 members and many running game steams and or running events, it really is helpful.  

Not to makes this solely a sales pitch for MYFAROG, but if you are looking for a new game....  REH's Conan RPG is exceptional in every way.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;939496Lol - people who don't understand economics.  Wal-mart, by making goods cheap - actually raises the general standard of living.

lol, a propaganda video. No, sorry, thats not how things work.

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/walmart/
http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/2405-real-cost-walmart.html
http://www.epi.org/publication/the-wal-mart-effect/
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/municipal/impact-big-box-retailers-employment-wages-crime-health
https://popularresistance.org/new-report-wal-mart-destroys-local-economy/
http://www.aft.org/periodical/american-educator/spring-2007/how-wal-mart-misshaping-global-economy
http://reurbanist.com/2012/09/the-economic-impact-of-walmart/


But all this is tangential. I was obviously making an analogy; a person's choices in spending money has consequences, whether they'd prefer to remain ignorant of that or not. Replace "walmart" with Monsanto, DuPont, Kraft, or a racist arsonist, the point is that our spending choices are not isolated from ethics.

I believe its important to vote with our dollars.

I also believe I benefit from separating Creation from Creator.

You may not, but I do.

And in 2017, I continue to be an unrepentant monster.

Quote from: The Butcher;938660So is rape. Doesn't mean either of these is a good gaming hook.

Whether it's Cleanse the Mutant! in Dark Heresy, or my OD&D campaign where Dwarves and Elves are locked in a global genocidal war, I personally love Race Wars as a setting component. I love Holy Wars too. I may not enjoy these topics on the nightly news, but I find them great gaming elements.  

I use plenty of rape in games, but I re-skin it as vampires, alien chestbursters, etc. But I know exactly what I'm actually referencing and why it works.  

Quote from: The Butcher;938660If everyone's comfortable with this, well fuck it, I'm in the wrong message board.

MYFROG isn't my cup of tea, but I won't condemn Bluddworth for his interest in the game. Especially as he seems more interested in the system than the creepy setting elements according to his posts so far.

Or maybe Bluddworth's publishing his Mein Kampf setting next week.

Until then, I am happy to judge him only on his posts. It's quite possible Bluddworth hasn't seen the vast cornacopia of OSR RPGs, or MYFROG's take on magic was unique to him.

BTW, RaHoWa has this interesting rule where your weapon levels up. RaHoWa an oddball read and I wonder if it was created by a KKK freak or just as a prank for the lolz.

Quote from: Xanther;938711Admittedly, I don't know what most authors would do with the money they get, but when I know I can't just bury my head in the sand.

All authors spend their money on whiskey and whores.

And nothing else. Especially not rent.

Quote from: trechriron;938749Butcher - you're not on the wrong board. You're on the best board. If people opposed to the author, or people who find the work to be lacking don't post, then theRPGsite becomes another echo chamber. I think all opinions should be openly shared so everyone has the most information to make informed decisions for themselves.

Hell fucking yeah.

Quote from: CRKrueger;938797However, I'm totally with you that a Nordic-Supremacist RPG using a font that was designed to evoke Egypt/Babylon/Assyria, etc. seems a satirically inappropriate choice.

That is hilarious.

Quote from: CRKrueger;938818We don't have Free Speech on this site though.

We have 99.9% Free Speech.

For that, I remain immensely grateful to RPGPundit and his moderators.

And Free Speech means defending the right for the WORST SPEECH to be spoken. That's no fun, and often sickening, but the alternative is unacceptable.

Quote from: CRKrueger;938818The problem is, I'm not really seeing the Crazy Right called on their bullshit to the same degree as the Crazy Left.

Then say something motherfucker!! Hulk smash bitch!

Rage with unrelenting fury against the Crazy (Right or Left) if something bothers you. Do NOT stay silent.

We are all going to get our own personal Safe Space soon enough.

It's called a coffin.

Quote from: Bluddworth;939453If I worried about the political, racial or religious views of the sources of my entertainment, I'd have to disconnect the electrical power to my house.

I can't argue with that.

Quote from: Bluddworth;939467I recently picked up a copy of Boot Hill (TSR) and I'm looking to adapt it to the setting of Robert E Howard's El Borak stories which are set in Afghanistan (up until about 1914).

Please start a separate thread all about this. We have a few Boot Hill fans here and lots of REH fans.

Quote from: rgrove0172;939468Awaiting my annual pilgrimage to Cross Plains on the 22nd, REH birthday too.

Please post pics!!!

Quote from: Spinachcat;939597I believe its important to vote with our dollars.

I also believe I benefit from separating Creation from Creator.

You may not, but I do.

I'm not completely against that. For example, I think that waging a war on creators dead for over a century because they hold views that would not be politically correct in modern society is pointless virtue signaling. And if the creation is actually separate, then I don't generally see a creator having different political views as having much meaning. But directly supporting a modern racist whose product intentionally and blatantly pushes and romanticizes racist theories crosses the line into personal responsibility. And if the work itself was actually a "work of art" that had some level of value separate from its moral failings, that would also be something worth making an argument for, but everything I've seen regarding MYFAROG suggests its anything but.

Huh, when people started PMing me a few days ago asking if this place is becoming a neo-nazi refuge, i automatically read the latest threads in Pungency - i had no inkling that this thread was stirring such feelings.

My advice to the increasing number of people who are unhappy with the direction this board seems to be taking is to start your own gaming threads about what you enjoy - and report posts in the RPG section that you feel belong elsewhere on the site.

If the offending posts are in the right part of the site, then jump on them, expose them as the shit they are, laugh at the people posting it, and banish them from polite discourse.

Just for the record, I have never PMed a mod; would never have occurred to me. I made my opinions quite plain in the Pungency stickied thread.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;939616Just for the record, I have never PMed a mod...

Please don't feel the need to say that for the record, nor anyone else feel the need to do the same. The report button is a private interaction with the mods. I do not want to feel compelled to have to say, "it wasn't me!" whenever someone gets 'the grown-ups' involved. Seems too much like a loyalty oaths or 'snitches get stitches' situation or something.