Quote from: Voros;946574Uh right, whatever. Where is the 20/20 special attacking RPGs from a left wing perspective? Where is the equivalent of B.A.D.D? Are left wing preachers speaking out against the evil of RPGs from their pulpits? Are people being harassed by their leftie parents for playing RPGs?

What a bunch of bullshit. Some tiny group on the net complaining about this or that is nothing in comparison the 80s Satanic Panic that included D&D.

I dunno about that, lets look at a direct comparison between BADD & SJWs:

BADD is focused entirely on RPGs and most specifically on D&D
SJWs are focused on all areas of life and entertainment including RPGs, video games, books, politics, and education

BADD's most obvious effect was the alteration of AD&D in 2nd edition to remove all references to devils, demons, and demonology.
SJW's most obvious effect on RPGs are ubiquitous disclaimers on genders, the classic WoD line rewriting itself to use newspeak pronouns and alter the settings to be PC friendly, and RPG companies frequently use social media now to advertise how inclusive they are/opposed to fascism, etc.

To my knowledge, no one in the rpg industry lost their job or were unable to find work because of BADD or the greater Satanic panic. Likewise no major retailer stopped carrying any RPGs.
The SJW's have caused numerous people to lose their jobs, limited their ability to find work, and bullied retailers into stop carrying products.

The Satanic Panic of which the D&D backlash was a small part led to whole groups of innocent people being jailed due to social hysteria. Many of these people spent 10 years of more of their lives in jail on patently false paranoid fantasies about child abusing cannabilistic Satanic cults before they were exonerated and released. Associated with the Panic was the rash of 'repressed memory syndrome' which led to thousands, if not tens of thousands of false accusations of ritualistic child sexual abuse.

So have these fearsome SJWs jailed dozens of innocent people for decades and destroyed untold numbers of families?

PS. The use of the term SJW in internet circles is as empty as 'fascist' by the left. An all purpose slur for anyone who holds an opposing viewpoint. A shortcut instead of thinking.

Quote from: Voros;946605The Satanic Panic of which the D&D backlash was a small part led to whole groups of innocent people being jailed due to social hysteria. Many of these people spent 10 years of more of their lives in jail on patently false paranoid fantasies about child abusing cannabilistic Satanic cults before they were exonerated and released. Associated with the Panic was the rash of 'repressed memory syndrome' which led to thousands, if not tens of thousands of false accusations of ritualistic child sexual abuse.

Yeah, I saw those documentaries, they weren't entirely convincing. But I'm willing to grant that overall one could make the case the satanic panic was as bad as SJWs. But BADD by itself, certainly not.

QuotePS. The use of the term SJW in internet circles is as empty as 'fascist' by the left. An all purpose slur for anyone who holds an opposing viewpoint. A shortcut instead of thinking.

No, its an actual thing. You can call the group what you want, but the group still exists.

I didn't watch a documentary, I lived through it. I saw Oprah and NBC and many others treat these accusations as true. People went to jail and have been released since. 'Repressed memory syndrome' has been discredited.

I have no idea what you mean by 'convincing.' You mean you believe there was a secret network of cannibalistic Satanists throughout North America kidnapping, sexually abusing and ritualistically eating thousands of babies and missing children?

Okay...

And Fascists are a real thing too, doesn't mean that everytime someone calls someone they disagree with a fascist that it is true.

Quote from: Voros;946612Fascists actually exist but thst doesn't mean everyone called a fascist really is one.

Okay, but if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, chances are its not a monkey.

But at this point I think this tangent, if you want it to continue, should hence itself to Pungency.

The Satanic Panic was a much broader cultural event, most of the victims affected by it weren't D&D players.  Moms against D&D was a very small part of this phenomenon.  Music was a much greater factor.

Focusing only on the RPG industry effect, the SJWs are a much greater threat as their politics and ideology are present in a significant portion of RPG designers, if not a narrow majority.

The designers and players who made up the industry during the Satanic Panic weren't members of that Toxic Religious Movement.  With the SJW Cult, a lot of them are.

Quote from: CRKrueger;946629The Satanic Panic was a much broader cultural event, most of the victims affected by it weren't D&D players.  Moms against D&D was a very small part of this phenomenon.

Plus the leader of the anti-D&D thing was a total moron.  In an interview, she said that she estimated that a town was 10% Satan worshipers.  When asked where she got that, she said that it was because she estimated that 5% of the teens were Satan worshipers, and 5% of the adults were too - and that made 10%.

Basically - her son had committed suicide, and she was looking for something to blame other than herself no matter how far-fetched.

The real leaders of the anti-D&D movement were fundamentalist preachers. I see the point about far left anti-free speech types being a more integrated element in the hobby/industry but I'm not convinced they are the same existential threat.

Politically the pendulum can swing the other way in as little as 4 years (not coincidentally the length of time to secure a BA) and the current trend against free speech on the left could be in serious decline. One can already see a counter-reaction against smothering identity politics and dissent on the left.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;946613Okay, but if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, chances are its not a monkey.

Or it's a monkey that's trolling you.

Quote from: AsenRG;946662Or it's a monkey that's trolling you.

thats not a reply that makes any sense in this context

Quote from: Voros;946661The real leaders of the anti-D&D movement were fundamentalist preachers.

Even among fundamentalist preachers - they were a crazy minority (albeit a very vocal one).  And they were generally basing their dislike of D&D on 3rd & 4th hand accounts about it.

Frankly - 'fundamentalist' isn't a very well defined term - so I suppose that I can't say that most are okay with D&D and its ilk depending upon how you define them.  But I personally have never had any issues with D&D & friends through church.  I even went to a Christian high school - and only 1 teacher I can think of ever said anything along those lines.  (About Harry Potter actually - but she was a bit kooky.  And blind - though I don't think that had anything to do with her being kooky - I do think it kept people from calling her out on her kookiness.)  Frankly - my Church friends are less likely to call out D&D as something negative than people I just work with when it comes up - and my brother-in-law (a pastor) has no issue with it, and occasionally even plays fantasy style board games with me.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;946663thats not a reply that makes any sense in this context

It was merely meant to remind you that there might be another explanation, too;).

Quote from: AsenRG;946682It was merely meant to remind you that there might be another explanation, too;).

An explanation for SJWs is they are all trolls? I don't see it, were not talking about a phenomenon relegated to online. This is a decades old political movent with far reaching consequences across Western society, directly responsible for racial segregation, covering up tapes and pedophilia, and harassing people to damage their lives.

And so it begins....  not so much in the OP, but in the comments that follow you can see the general trend.  http://massivelyop.com/2017/02/19/the-daily-grind-what-do-you-think-about-slavery-as-a-concept-in-mmorpgs/

Quote from: Tristram Evans;946685An explanation for SJWs is they are all trolls?

No, trolling was just an off-hand comment. There's no one-size-fits-all answer, anyway, many people that look racist look exactly like the thing they are:).

And then there are the other people, with all that their existence implies;).