Greetings from an Old School RPGer

Bluddworth · February 05, 2017, 07:21:24 AM

Quote from: Willie the Duck;944152Yes, you've already made that assertion. If you're not going to bother supporting it, why would we even pretend to take it seriously?

Any time anyone disagreed with Obama on a policy issue, they were labeled a racist or minimally Obama was being held to a different standard because he was half black.

Almost every time police had a violent altercation with a black perpetrator, it was an issue of race and not an issue of crime and punishment.

Race is too much a focus on everything, and I don't believe the average person goes through their day thinking about it. The media pushes that crap because it sells. Race peddlers push it because it boosts their self importance and their wallets.

If you demand more support, open your eyes and ears. I long for my days in the US Army, where we were all brothers and sisters and if we were a color, we were all "Green".

AsenRG · February 05, 2017, 03:15:14 PM

Quote from: cranebump;944139Steve Bannon wrote an rpg? ;-)

Now I kinda wonder what we'd have if we could persuade Steve Bannon and Mike Pence to team up and write an RPG for the benefit of today's kids:D!

Black Vulmea · February 06, 2017, 03:17:37 PM

Quote from: Bluddworth;944162. . . I don't believe the average person goes through their day thinking about it.

What, in your mind, is an "average person?" Does an "average person" risk being pulled over by the cops because of the color of their skin? Does an "average person" risk being sworn at because of the clothes they wear?

Gronan of Simmerya · February 06, 2017, 03:45:13 PM

Quote from: Black Vulmea;944487What, in your mind, is an "average person?" Does an "average person" risk being pulled over by the cops because of the color of their skin? Does an "average person" risk being sworn at because of the clothes they wear?

But "average people" don't have non-white skin.

Tristram Evans · February 06, 2017, 04:30:50 PM

Quote from: Bluddworth;944162Any time anyone disagreed with Obama on a policy issue, they were labeled a racist or minimally Obama was being held to a different standard because he was half black.

Almost every time police had a violent altercation with a black perpetrator, it was an issue of race and not an issue of crime and punishment.

So, wait, your argument is that just because a few people sometimes bring race into the equation when they maybe should not, then nothing is ever racist?

Do you expect anyone here to take that seriously?

crkrueger · February 06, 2017, 05:00:43 PM

Quote from: Tristram Evans;944497So, wait, your argument is that just because a few people sometimes bring race into the equation when they maybe should not, then nothing is ever racist?

Do you expect anyone here to take that seriously?

Actually I think what he was saying is closer to "After a few years of every time someone cries "Wolf" there isn't one, you kind of have to see one for yourself to believe it".

It's basically "Yeah purple cried Racist, they always cry Racist, they also cry every other -ist." and applying to the culture at large, which is where the polished boots start peeking out from under the drapes.

AsenRG · February 06, 2017, 05:01:48 PM

Quote from: Black Vulmea;944487What, in your mind, is an "average person?" Does an "average person" risk being pulled over by the cops because of the color of their skin?

Does it matter if the average person might be pulled by the cops due to how he or she looks:)?

QuoteDoes an "average person" risk being sworn at because of the clothes they wear?

Happensall the time IME.

Admittedly, I'm talking about my country;).

Voros · February 06, 2017, 10:21:24 PM

Well there was never any doubt that Varg himself was racist. That is easy enough to confirm without buying his game.

Spinachcat · February 07, 2017, 12:55:24 AM

There's no doubt HP Lovecraft was a racist either.

The narrator's black cat in Rats in the Walls is named...Nigger...after HPL's own cat "Nigger Man"

Authors - both talented and not talented - sometimes write really stupid shit.

Quote from: RPGPundit;944044You're smarter than this. It's not a 'heartbreaker'. It's a Neo-Nazi themed RPG based on Nazi Aryan pseudo-myths, advertised as "playing according to your European heritage". It's a load of fucking bullshit.

That does seem to describe the setting. As I haven't read it (and probably won't), I can't debate if the setting is Nazi Aryan pseudo-myth or just yet another fever dream fantasy faux-Europe. Mechanically, MYFROG looks like a faux-Euro D&D semi-clone. That's why I call it another D&D heartbreaker.

I don't get the "play according to your European heritage" part at all. Is the game only supposed to be played by players descended from Northern Europeans?
Now that's a niche game.

Spinachcat · February 07, 2017, 01:00:23 AM

Quote from: Bluddworth;943647As for MYFAROG, I intend to run an adventure set in Robert E Howard's El Borak Afghanistan between 1904 and 1914. Maybe I'll develop it into a full blown campaign setting, using MYFAROG's The Coming (Modern / Post Apocalypse rules).

Why use The Coming vs. any other RPG ruleset?

Especially as you're a fan of Twilight 2000.

BTW, for everyone else, here's info on REH's El Borak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Borak

Spinachcat · February 07, 2017, 01:04:14 AM

Quote from: CRKrueger;944501Actually I think what he was saying is closer to "After a few years of every time someone cries "Wolf" there isn't one, you kind of have to see one for yourself to believe it".

By 2018, we will have a Disney Kid's show where "that's so Nazi" is a slang term for one kid being rude to another.

As a culture, we seem hell-bent on bastardizing and/or diluting ever bit of language.

Tristram Evans · February 07, 2017, 03:02:22 AM

Quote from: Spinachcat;944552There's no doubt HP Lovecraft was a racist either.

Lovecraft is 1) dead, 2) lived at a time where racism was socially acceptable, 3) created worthwhile art whose value extends beyond any archaic racist elements, and, most importantly, did not write for the purpose of promoting a racist agenda, his racist views were incidental to his art.

So, I object to your use of "either" to imply there's some basis of comparison.

Tristram Evans · February 07, 2017, 03:03:39 AM

Quote from: CRKrueger;944501Actually I think what he was saying is closer to "After a few years of every time someone cries "Wolf" there isn't one, you kind of have to see one for yourself to believe it".

That as it may be, my response is, perhaps predictably, "you don't have access to Google?"

crkrueger · February 07, 2017, 11:29:32 AM

Quote from: Tristram Evans;944561did not write for the purpose of promoting a racist agenda, his racist views were incidental to his art.

I'm a Lovecraft fan and I even I can't get behind this one. He certainly wasn't promoting a racist agenda, but his racist views to a certain degree drove his art. Lovecraft's racism turned Miscegenation into Body Horror with the Deep Ones and Dunwich as the most obvious example. The idea that there is something primitive, alien and evil locked in the bloodlines of humans and humans can devolve into that primordial state is an important part of Lovecraft's horror and is directly informed by his feelings on race and sex.

Lovecraft's art is the direct result of him struggling with his demons.

Tristram Evans · February 07, 2017, 12:26:24 PM

Quote from: CRKrueger;944599I'm a Lovecraft fan and I even I can't get behind this one. He certainly wasn't promoting a racist agenda, but his racist views to a certain degree drove his art. Lovecraft's racism turned Miscegenation into Body Horror with the Deep Ones and Dunwich as the most obvious example. The idea that there is something primitive, alien and evil locked in the bloodlines of humans and humans can devolve into that primordial state is an important part of Lovecraft's horror and is directly informed by his feelings on race and sex. Lovecraft's art is the direct result of him struggling with his demons.

While I can see this interpretation, I think taking Lovecraft's work as a whole that parallels that can be drawn between racism and the horrors of the stories are relatively infrequent overall.