Quote from: Bluddworth;9367631.  The combat system is pretty good, and arguably more realistic than many.  One good hit and I have seen players become fairly nervous about survival.  If that hit causes a bleeding wound, the nervousness becomes a real morale issue and the player starts concentrating on stopping the bleeding.  It was partly do to this reaction that I witnessed that I felt the morale system was quite unnecessary.  

I haven't read the game, but I did see Varg's Youtube video where he strapped on some armor and ran around a field doing adventuring activities like jumping, tumbling, and climbing trees to try and figure out what armor check penalties should be like in his game.

Whenever you hear someone bang on about "realistic combat" in roleplaying games, it's usually some armchair martial artist whose never been in a fight in their life spouting bullshit about things they no nothing about.

Varg Vikernes stabbed a man to death, went to prison, and now spends his free time running around fields in suits of armor. He's the only game designer I know that can talk about realism in medieval combat from a position of practical experience. Whatever one might say about the man's politics and beliefs, you gotta admit he brings a rare perspective to the table.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;938263SO, author's personality or beliefs aside, why is it garbage?

There is a review here with screenshots and commentary... http://www.metalsucks.net/2015/08/21/advanced-discrimination-dragons-critical-look-varg-vikernes-myfarog-rpg/

Quote from: Cave Bear;938381I haven't read the game, but I did see Varg's Youtube video where he strapped on some armor and ran around a field doing adventuring activities like jumping, tumbling, and climbing trees to try and figure out what armor check penalties should be like in his game.

Whenever you hear someone bang on about "realistic combat" in roleplaying games, it's usually some armchair martial artist whose never been in a fight in their life spouting bullshit about things they no nothing about.

Varg Vikernes stabbed a man to death, went to prison, and now spends his free time running around fields in suits of armor. He's the only game designer I know that can talk about realism in medieval combat from a position of practical experience. Whatever one might say about the man's politics and beliefs, you gotta admit he brings a rare perspective to the table.

Luckily for soldiers and for everyone else, murdering someone unarmed by stabbing him and combat against an armed opponent, even a kobold, aren't exactly the same thing. And I'm not talking about ethics.

I commend his willingness to try wearing armor, though.

Quote from: Xanther;938388There is a review here with screenshots and commentary... http://www.metalsucks.net/2015/08/21/advanced-discrimination-dragons-critical-look-varg-vikernes-myfarog-rpg/

Racism and sexism, all wrapped in the worst possible font asides Wingdings?

Quote from: ZWEIHÄNDER;938391Racism and sexism, all wrapped in the worst possible font asides Wingdings?

All of that, and a mix between an old school system and GURPS, if the review is to be trusted.
At least it focuses on survivalism, which it seems is something that the author does know a lot about. But I am now wondering where the OP found it for $10, the review claims several times that.

Quote from: AsenRG;938392All of that, and a mix between an old school system and GURPS, if the review is to be trusted.
At least it focuses on survivalism, which it seems is something that the author does know a lot about. But I am now wondering where the OP found it for $10, the review claims several times that.

I had no idea what this RPG was, until I found the author's YouTube channel today. After watching a half dozen or so, I came across this:

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EDIT - uh oh... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00xegtA-qMk

EDIT 2 - OK, this guy can kick rocks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02HZalIGsGg

Yep, the RPG's author is a bottom-dweller. I think we've established that.

To the OP, welcome aboard, Bluddworth, we hope you enjoy your stay. I'm going to take you at your word about how you are using Myfarog, the worst that can happen is that I'm disappointed. Other than D&D, what systems did you cut your teeth on?

Quote from: Xanther;938388There is a review here with screenshots and commentary... http://www.metalsucks.net/2015/08/21/advanced-discrimination-dragons-critical-look-varg-vikernes-myfarog-rpg/

Fun review but hardly fair . Note I don't own the  game , the one guy I Knew  interested in it left for his home state of Kentucky and online play is of no interest to me.

 infant mortality rates in the past were rather high though why anyone would ever sue such a chart is beyond my gaming experience but gain some people like dynastic play like I dunno Pendragon or something

Also humans are  very sexually dimorphic and   women are in fact nowhere near as strong  as men having less muscle mass per pound and weighing less as well. The strength differences are so profound that even a lightweight 41 year old modestly skilled  trans gender (formerly male) doped with female hormones MMA fighter (Fallon Fox) has no trouble defeating a younger more skilled  biological female opponent and hits with strength enough to shatter her eye sockets . I suspect nearly any man on this board with good martial arts skills and within the same weight group could flatten almost any female MMA starin the same weight category

Weapons do make a difference bit if anything Varg is probably being generous

Hell even  AD&D had a strength cap for women back in the day.

As for his racial stereotypes, meh, its Varg and as for ethnic cleaning being a possible plot element? I do assume you've read the Bible or some history. Its a common enough thing and nearly every group engages in and still does. My hone state, 21st century California had to have the FBI step in to stop ethnic cleansing in Azusa a few years ago and there is plenty still going on behind the scenes right now 2017 all over the world. Its a human thing.


That said Varg's opinions on Norse mythology and Odinism (err Othalism) and  mythic history  are shall we say eccentric as are his reconstructed spiritual practices

However, if you take a 280 pound average height male, with 65% body fat and match him up with an average height woman, with 15% body fat, I'm sure the punches she is landing are considerably harder. There are ladies in Crossfit who outclass unfit males in the same height/weight category. The variances are actually broad.

So, being there is all this variance, and being these are fantasy games; there's no reason to not allow someone to play a super strong female or a less-muscular male. I'm not saying the attempt to dive into the ultra-realistic historically accurate is bad-wrong-fun. In my experience most people would rather play something fun than "accurate". Since these arguments tend to be used as an excuse for misogynist behavior is yet another reason I just drop all the requirements. Height/Weight tables can be used (like many other types of detailed tables in char gen) as an inspiration but trying to play "God the accurate baby maker because #sciencemaths" is absurd. IMHO.

Quote from: trechriron;938422However, if you take a 280 pound average height male, with 65% body fat and match him up with an average height woman, with 15% body fat, I'm sure the punches she is landing are considerably harder. There are ladies in Crossfit who outclass unfit males in the same height/weight category. The variances are actually broad.

So, being there is all this variance, and being these are fantasy games; there's no reason to not allow someone to play a super strong female or a less-muscular male. I'm not saying the attempt to dive into the ultra-realistic historically accurate is bad-wrong-fun. In my experience most people would rather play something fun than "accurate". Since these arguments tend to be used as an excuse for misogynist behavior is yet another reason I just drop all the requirements. Height/Weight tables can be used (like many other types of detailed tables in char gen) as an inspiration but trying to play "God the accurate baby maker because #sciencemaths" is absurd. IMHO.

65% body fat  vs 15% kung fu mama is a pretty extreme case but yeah sure there are edge cases. That said women cannot outperform reasonably fit  men in nearly  any category, nature of the species I'm afraid ,

To what you said re: gaming. I agree. Fun first and I tend to drop the rules too. I'm mean its often  a world where people say "Biggity Bobbity Boo" and puke fire at people. I see no reason PC women can have magically powerful strength or nanites or whatever

First of all, what is wrong with Papyrus?

Second, to the OP...

How did you pick as your current goto game...Myfarog?  Where did you hear about it, what about it made you think "Hmm, a game written by a convicted murderer and white supremacist? - Let's give it a go!"  Were you a fan of Burzum?
Finally, what about the game pushes the right buttons.  Sure you came for the...whatever...but why are you staying?

Quote from: 5 Stone Games;938418Also humans are  very sexually dimorphic and   women are in fact nowhere near as strong  as men having less muscle mass per pound and weighing less as well. The strength differences are so profound that even a lightweight 41 year old modestly skilled  trans gender (formerly male) doped with female hormones MMA fighter (Fallon Fox) has no trouble defeating a younger more skilled  biological female opponent and hits with strength enough to shatter her eye sockets . I suspect nearly any man on this board with good martial arts skills and within the same weight group could flatten almost any female MMA starin the same weight category

Weapons do make a difference bit if anything Varg is probably being generous

My one question is, do you say that as a man with good martial arts skills who can flatten almost any female MMA star in your category:)?

QuoteAs for his racial stereotypes, meh, its Varg and as for ethnic cleaning being a possible plot element? I do assume you've read the Bible or some history. Its a common enough thing and nearly every group engages in and still does. My hone state, 21st century California had to have the FBI step in to stop ethnic cleansing in Azusa a few years ago and there is plenty still going on behind the scenes right now 2017 all over the world. Its a human thing.

I've seen enough ethnic cleansings in games long before Myfarog was even written.

QuoteThat said Varg's opinions on Norse mythology and Odinism (err Othalism) and  mythic history  are shall we say eccentric as are his reconstructed spiritual practices

"Eccentric" is the best you can say about them, judging by his youtube channel;).

Race/ethnic war is a major element of human history since the dawn of man so  why we should be surprised about it showing up in media and games.

Quote from: Spinachcat;938651Race/ethnic war is a major element of human history since the dawn of man so  why we should be surprised about it showing up in media and games.

So is rape. Doesn't mean either of these is a good gaming hook.

Come on now, people. This is a game where the author, a notorious and unrepentant white supremacist, actively proposes the killing of swarthy humans (not orcs, not zombies, not robots — just humans of a darker complexion) as a serviceable adventure hook. And it's not even "kill them and take their stuff" — it's "kill them because darker-skinned people are Always Evil."

This game is OSR RaHoWa and I'm aghast that anyone would consider the "fluff" acceptable campaign material.

If everyone's comfortable with this, well fuck it, I'm in the wrong message board.

Quote from: Spinachcat;938651Race/ethnic war is a major element of human history since the dawn of man so  why we should be surprised about it showing up in media and games.

There's a wide gap between "showing up" and "endorsing."