Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;958203Jesus H. yodeling Christ in a gorilla suit.

I can't imagine why some women find the gaming community unwelcoming.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;958228Well, it's a damn good thing I can choose my gender!

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;958229The same reason some men do, probably. Peeps gunbe assholes.

Quote from: Nexus;958230Well, it is just a social construct.

A truly "equal" society is probably a pipe dream, at least in regard to sex/gender. Too much social and biological baggage. The best we can do is probably understand and acknowledge where some of our biases are coming from and try to take that into account in a more rational manner when we can. But judging from things so far.... Good Luck with that.

The other option seems to be waiting for the species to change enough that its no longer an issue. But arguably that would mean becoming something other than human.

Quote from: Nexus;958231Yeah. Some of any group are going to find a particular community unwelcoming for various reasons. There's only certain times it seems to matter to large numbers of people. Some women I've known found TBP community unwelcoming because they didn't slot into their notion of a WOMAN GAMER should think and want.

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;958227I have a question: when will women ask for equal standards in physical fitness tests for the military or for women to be required to register with Selective Service?

Quote from: cranebump;958197boys are performing worse than girls, in general. Boys, we're not measuring up. We need to do better.

Quote from: CRKrueger;958268To quote James Woods in The Hard Way: "When my asshole learns to chew gum."

Quote from: cranebump;958190When those who have had the historic advantage complain they are being ostracized, attack, and/or dealt with unfairly, I first wonder, (a) how much Fox News do they watch? and (b) what are they afraid of?

Quote from: Krimson;958192Divorce requires a conscious decision to marry in the first place.

Quote from: Krimson;958192As for prison sentences... Have they tried not committing crimes? That might help.

Quote from: Ashakyre;956646If you want to split the pie evenly then women have a lot of dying to do. Men are 80% of suicides and drug overdoses, 90% of the prison population and the vast majority of the homeless population too. Oh, and wars. Next war, for social justice, I want combat deaths to be 100% female. And amputations. And keep going like that war after war until we've equalized the exact number of combat deaths between men and women throughout history. Gotta split that pie, bro. No whining! Don't get pissy, OK? Now women can learn what it's always been like men when they're getting bayonetted.

Or we can have a look at benefits versus sacrifice, authority versus responsibility like reasonable people might.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;956742Did you know that the West, in fact, pioneered by America, is the first group of nations that have outlawed slavery?  And that it's still practiced in places like Asia and Africa?

There's a lot of misinformation flying about, and what's even worse is that we have people who believe it, no proof necessary.  But then, that would require doing research and thinking for ourselves, wouldn't it?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;956782http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.full.pdf

"National hiring experiments reveal 2:1 faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track"

Quote from: cranebump;956790I think slavery was outlawed in Britain before it was outlawed in the U.S. (pretty sure? I'll have to dig around to verify) And saying "Well, we don't do it anymore, but others do" is like saying, "Hey, I may be a serial abuser, but I'm still nicer than your incarcerated, serial-killer boyfriend." Any of us can look good standing next to Murder Von Baby-Killer man.  But, you're right--it pays to look into things, including entertaining opposing views. I 'preciate ya, even if I don't see eye to eye.

BIG ASS TANGENT: We can't drive a single sin back to the creation, because we are metaphorically born in sin, and flawed. We trust in the better angels of our nature, but verify through laws and codes. We have warts and scars. No one has all the answers, and that's good. I think back to Jacob Bronowski, writing about what happens when people become certain about anything.* I just know that we made a promise, and haven't always done right by it. Maybe some folks seem a bit overzealous to compensate for those failed promises, sometimes in ways that seem small, or even ridiculous to others. But I cannot fault someone who wants to take action, without real malice, based on what they perceive is true and just, and in line with their beliefs. Certainly, they're doing more than I am when it comes to these things. I don't know how all this will end up, but I have assurance in the substance of things hoped for, trust in evidence of things not yet seen.

We live in crazy times, man. You stick around long enough, though, you find out shit works out. Best comment here, I think, is the one that more or less says, "Bravo for trying, GR. If the product is great, I'll be sure to tune in. It it ain't, no bigs."

*"The Ascent of Man," chapter=Knowledge or Certainty.

Quote from: jhkim;956798OK, this is totally off-topic, but it is bugging me.


I know that in Korea, emancipation began in 1775, and in 1801 nearly all government slaves were freed, although full abolition was not until 1886 - 1891. The origins of the abolition movement there have nothing to do with abolition in the West.

In the West, the pioneer in modern abolition was Haiti, which completely outlawed slavery as part of their war for independence 1791 to 1804. That thoroughly shook all of the colonial powers with its success. Britain outlawed the slave trade in 1807, and outlawed slavery in 1833 - long before the U.S.

I'd suggest doing a little research yourself.