Quote from: CRKrueger;957864Ask and ye shall receive...

Most useful post in the entire fucking thread.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;957753I have to disagree, cbump. Watching people with white skin and dicks claim to be 'victims' is fucking hilarious.

Heh...okay, maybe I'm wrong on that one.:-)

Quote from: cranebump;958167Heh...okay, maybe I'm wrong on that one.:-)

I get mildly amused. When an MRA starts their whinging I'm usually, "Thanks boys, but men don't actually need your help. We're fine."

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;958162It would have been a problem.

Some people are sexist buttnuggets.  Some people are not sexist buttnuggets.  Gamers are a subset of people.

Sadly true.

Quote from: Krimson;958172I get mildly amused. When an MRA starts their whinging I'm usually, "Thanks boys, but men don't actually need your help. We're fine."

Bury your head into the sand, do it!  Men committing suicide at three times the rate women do?  Perfectly fine!  State-sanction genital mutilation (Circumcision)?  Perfectly fine!  Men still being about 98% of workplace deaths?  Perfectly fine!  Women outliving men by about 7 years?  Perfectly fine!  80% of divorce cases end up with the man losing access to his child, and having to pay for it?  Perfectly fine!  Men having 60% longer criminal sentences handed to them compared to women who commit THE EXACT SAME crime?  Perfectly fine!

Why?  Because men DESERVE IT!  All of them!  Including YOU!

Quote from: Christopher Brady;958175Bury your head into the sand, do it!  Men committing suicide at three times the rate women do?  Perfectly fine!  State-sanction genital mutilation (Circumcision)?  Perfectly fine!  Men still being about 98% of workplace deaths?  Perfectly fine!  Women outliving men by about 7 years?  Perfectly fine!  80% of divorce cases end up with the man losing access to his child, and having to pay for it?  Perfectly fine!  Men having 60% longer criminal sentences handed to them compared to women who commit THE EXACT SAME crime?  Perfectly fine!

Why?  Because men DESERVE IT!  All of them!  Including YOU!

Bu..but boobies man, boobies.

To be clear, my beef was about boys complaining that education is rigged against them. It's a bullshit excuse. But, as for the specific questions, issues, etc., raised here.

Quote from: Spinachcat;957754BTW Cranebump, do you teach at an all boys high school?

No. Which is why I can directly compare the male-female achievement gap I have personally witnessed in the schools I have taught.

QuoteI taught years ago (both SpEd and regular Ed, K through 12th, mostly middle school) and I never saw this gender disparity in effort you claim. Boys and girls goof off, just differently. Teen boys with adrenal hormones pumping through them are far jumpier and physical, but the teen girls needed constant redirection from chit chat and socializing in class. As for homework, the return rate of quality work was abysmal for both genders.

Maybe, but the rate of girls going on to college is significantly higher. I could pull quite a but of data, but here's just one article, gleaned from one search. Check out the enrollment rate of boys vs. girls in advanced classes (also, albeit off subject, the enrollment rate of minorities in GT programs or advanced classes). There's a host of evidence concerning this subject.

QuoteIn my teaching experience, the successful student was a product of an involved home (whether parent, parents, or grandparents) and there was no slant from gender. Unfortunately, there were definitely major differences in number of involved families based on ethnic group.  

This is true, though I've had contrasting experiences involving family support. I've seen no general difference in parental involvement based on ethnicity. And bear in mind, about 90% of my time teaching has been at minority-majority schools.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;957768Wow, you are clearly out of touch, aren't you?

I think the fact that I've been in the profession as long as I have means I can probably find the pulse of what actually goes on in public education better than someone who hasn't been around can (that would likely mean you, sir).

QuoteUnfair?  Well, it is because it doesn't take into account ability or actual skill in the topic, but the more important part?  It's DISCRIMINATION BASED ON THE INDIVIDUAL'S SEX.  You do know what they call that, don't you?

When those who have had the historic advantage complain they are being ostracized, attack, and/or dealt with unfairly, I first wonder, (a) how much Fox News do they watch? and (b) what are they afraid of?

Quote(Cut pointless, clueless drivel about not knowing how society works outside of his own little Happy Land Bubble.)

So, you're best response is to assume those who disagree with you live in a "Happy Land" Bubble? Care to explain what "Happy Land" is? Exactly what type of  land do you think I live in? Was it "Happy Land" when I served in the military for 8 years? Are the under-resourced, under-served schools I've worked in for two decades considered "happy land?" Is THAT what you're getting at it? Might explain it, because I don't fucking know what "Happy Land" is.

P.S. And, by the way, you fucking twit, my life experience is just as valid as yours. So, I'd appreciate it if you stuck to the issues, rather than your obvious, knee-jerk anti-SJW screed.

QuoteEven if it breaks a law that was designed specifically to benefit women and minorities.  Bravo, someone who clearly doesn't understand irony.
And you know what I find hilarious?  That somehow have 52% of the world's population is a 'minority'.

If it were all about population, the situation in South Africa, indeed, the whole fucking British Empire, wold never have existed. It's about control, and women historically haven'd had it. Hell, they couldn't even vote in the U.S. for, what, 144 years?

Quote from: Christopher Brady;958175Bury your head into the sand, do it!  Men committing suicide at three times the rate women do?  Perfectly fine!  State-sanction genital mutilation (Circumcision)?  Perfectly fine!  Men still being about 98% of workplace deaths?  Perfectly fine!  Women outliving men by about 7 years?  Perfectly fine!  80% of divorce cases end up with the man losing access to his child, and having to pay for it?  Perfectly fine!  Men having 60% longer criminal sentences handed to them compared to women who commit THE EXACT SAME crime?  Perfectly fine!

Why?  Because men DESERVE IT!  All of them!  Including YOU!

First I'd have a talk with one of the three big Abrahamic religions about the first one. Good luck with that. As for the others, that sounds like problems of poor life decisions over gender. I have never once seen a female coworker stupid enough to ride around on a powered pallet jack. Out living men? Yeah totally a conscious lifestyle decision often involving tobacco and alcohol. Divorce requires a conscious decision to marry in the first place. As for prison sentences... Have they tried not committing crimes? That might help.

Quote from: Dionysus;957751Well obviously that anecdotal evidence is good enough for a blanket judgement of men vs. women, AND there's no other possible explanation other than "boys are worse" /s

I never said there weren't exceptions. And boys are performing worse than girls, in general (assuming you can accept a generality--if you can't, there's no reason to discuss the issue, because you're simply narrowing the topic toward irresolvability)

Man, I'm just telling you what I've seen with my own goddamned eyes, over a long period of time, with a number of students in excess of, at least 2,000, I think. And if you give a teenager that type of bullshit ammunition, i.e., "oh, it's not your lack of effort--you're just wired differently" then they're going to use it as an excuse.  I'm a professional excuse-hearer, and dismisser. Boys, we're not measuring up. We need to do better. How about instead of blaming "the system," we take some personal accountability and get it together?

Look, would you rather me try to push your son to perform? Or should I write off his lack of effort and excuses as a product of his wiring? Because that's the case you're making, whether you recognize it or not.

Jesus H. yodeling Christ in a gorilla suit.

I can't imagine why some women find the gaming community unwelcoming.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;958175Bury your head into the sand, do it!  Men committing suicide at three times the rate women do?  Perfectly fine!  State-sanction genital mutilation (Circumcision)?  Perfectly fine!  Men still being about 98% of workplace deaths?  Perfectly fine!  Women outliving men by about 7 years?  Perfectly fine!  80% of divorce cases end up with the man losing access to his child, and having to pay for it?  Perfectly fine!  Men having 60% longer criminal sentences handed to them compared to women who commit THE EXACT SAME crime?  Perfectly fine!

Why?  Because men DESERVE IT!  All of them!  Including YOU!

Because being a Manly Man means not caring about other Men. Compassion is for the weak fluffy helpless critters like Girls.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;958175Bury your head into the sand, do it!  Men committing suicide at three times the rate women do?  Perfectly fine!  State-sanction genital mutilation (Circumcision)?  Perfectly fine!  Men still being about 98% of workplace deaths?  Perfectly fine!  Women outliving men by about 7 years?  Perfectly fine!  80% of divorce cases end up with the man losing access to his child, and having to pay for it?  Perfectly fine!  Men having 60% longer criminal sentences handed to them compared to women who commit THE EXACT SAME crime?  Perfectly fine!

Why?  Because men DESERVE IT!  All of them!  Including YOU!

It's the "Male Stoicism" thing. It appears to be pretty hardwired rather than cultural since its extended across various societies and times. As as species the hardships, inequities and problems that specifically focus on men/boys generally aren't taken as seriously, usually to the point complaining or even just pointing them out is seen as whining and "unmanly". One theory is that since Biologically males aren't as important as females to species survival and are more expendable from that stand point social attitudes and behaviors are going to tend to reflect that reality and, as is often typical with humans, we dress it up in fancy trappings to rationalize it.

I have a question: when will women ask for equal standards in physical fitness tests for the military or for women to be required to register with Selective Service?

Quote from: Nexus;958226It's the "Male Stoicism" thing. It appears to be pretty hardwired rather than cultural since its extended across various societies and times. As as species the hardships, inequities and problems that specifically focus on men/boys generally aren't taken as seriously, usually to the point complaining or even just pointing them out is seen as whining and "unmanly". Biologically males aren't as important as females to species survival and are more expendable from that stand point. Social attitudes and behaviors tend to reflect that reality and, as is often typical with humans, we dress it up in fancy trappings to rationalize it.

Well, it's a damn good thing I can choose my gender!