Quote from: Lynn;957398A lot of Hollywood seems laser focused on the first box office weekend, and if they don't make serious bank money during then, they its a treated by some as a complete failure.

I'm guessing that's part why there seem to be far fewer reviews in advance of movies coming out... why most of the reporting I see has to do with how much money a movie made, rather than how good it is.
When I was a kid I remember seeing plenty of reviews on news shows or in newspapers, before and around opening weekend... and none of these profit reports (as if knowing how much it made tells you much).

Quote from: CRKrueger;956667What's the desired result?

More importantly, does this actually achieve it? Because what kind of woman would respond to this? Most women already use #Pseudonyms or work in a genre that doesn't require it, and any woman taking this job would instantly become a political pawn and target.

It also implies that for all their sensitivity and outreach, #GreenRonin still does not get enough quality submissions from women to write a product. In other words, their previous efforts have failed. On the other hand #AveryAlder actually hired minorities for #MonsterHearts instead of howling that she'd really like to do so. And while I don't agree with some of her choices, I do agree with her sincerity and methods.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;956552Yeah, the last thread on this here was just closed.

Heh, I was wondering where my response went

I wonder why?

Quote from: cranebump;956790I cannot fault someone who wants to take action, without real malice, based on what they perceive is true and just, and in line with their beliefs.

Nor can I.

But when they refuse to evaluate the results of their actions, especially while continuing to cry "Intent doesn't matter", for the same reasons it's my duty to call them out and make sure they cannot do further harm.

Quote from: Trond;956946If I wanted to write sugar sweet romances it probably wouldn't hurt sales if I used a female pseudonym.

And enforce cultural gender roles? Are you mad?!?

Quote from: jhkim;957021As far as I know, ads like the Green Ronin one from the OP are extremely rare. I can't think of any other cases, so it seems to me that they are not "considered effectively mandatory" as Brady suggests.

Well #MonicaValentinelli put a call out for "female freelance writers" for the Conan RPG (#Tweet deleted), because so far "nothing but men" had applied. Then she mysteriously leaves the project, despite supposedly receiving "over 400 applications for new writers, 95% of which were women".

So within a month of making that initial #Tweet, Monica got 380 applications from women. Did she leave because none of them got hired?

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Dumbass. Brought a gun to a blowdart fight.

Off Topic:

Movies need to make three times their initial investment, which includes the marketing budget, not just the film's (which is why Suicide Squad, for example needed nearly 1 Billion to be considered a hit.)  Ghostbusters (2016) and Passengers (2016) didn't come close, meaning they flopped.

Quote from: jhkim;957265At least within this thread, the screams of outrage are from those who are objecting to Green Ronin. GR are not complaining about others in the industry or demanding exact parity - they're doing their specific project.

I don't think it's required that there be 50% women among RPG players or designers, but if people like Nicole Lindroos - or Stacy Dellorfano (of ConTessa) or others want to work on projects specifically involving women, I think that's fine. It's not required, but I personally enjoy seeing diverse gamers and would encourage it.


Do you think it is a problem?  I'm not one of those who thinks that every field in every locale needs to have exactly even representation. It might potentially be a problem if men were being systematically discriminated against. However, if men simply aren't choosing to go into these science classes, then that's their choice. Men have plenty of choices, and I'd want to see some more specific evidence that they were being oppressed before coming to that conclusion.

I kinda agree. Maybe it isn't a problem. But then what is all this hoopla about? And what is this project about, if women could just as easily have written their own games long ago? Women have been present in the hobby from the start, and in sciences since....well Marie Curie is a good milestone. Every time there are fewer women somewhere, society seems to think that we must do something about it, rather than just leaving it wide open for everyone. By saying women only, all that GR is saying is really "no men" (because usually what companies are looking for is talent, no matter who it is), so all they are doing is excluding many people who might have had a good take on it. But it is good publicity I suppose.

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This is easily worth my half an onion. Topic redeemed. Carry on!

Quote from: Justin Alexander;957135"I have trouble believing that if Jews are the strong, capable individuals I know them to be, that it is not a bit insulting to continually insist that they face systemic prejudice that makes career advancement difficult in 1930's Germany."

Do you really find it that hard to believe?



Possible? Sure. Likely? Given their high participation rates in associated hobbies and interests, not very.

I think anyone who conflates criticism of sexist hiring practices with the Holocaust is a histrionic adolescent with no sense of perspective.

Quote from: Trond;957434I kinda agree. Maybe it isn't a problem. But then what is all this hoopla about? And what is this project about, if women could just as easily have written their own games long ago? Women have been present in the hobby from the start, and in sciences since....well Marie Curie is a good milestone. Every time there are fewer women somewhere, society seems to think that we must do something about it, rather than just leaving it wide open for everyone. By saying women only, all that GR is saying is really "no men" (because usually what companies are looking for is talent, no matter who it is), so all they are doing is excluding many people who might have had a good take on it. But it is good publicity I suppose.

Virtue Signaling and self back patting I guess. Hell, even bigotry is a poor explanation as they could have just used the same tactics bigots have in the past accepted all applications then quietly circle filed the one that didn't fit their prejudice. If it weren't for the legal issues, it would be more of a sigh and roll my eyes thing.

I would like to see someone address the inequity between men and women that read for pleasure though

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;957396

Dear Lord, I saw this in the theater.

OK I've got to ask; which movie is that??

Quote from: S'mon;957354The whole system is heavily female slanted. Although from what I see (as a lecturer) overseas students from outside NW Europe turn up in about equal numbers, 50-50 male & female. The male overseas students haven't gone through a demoralising female-oriented education system where normal maleness is often pathologised. My home (UK) students are about 80% female.

Uh huh. I went to school no problem. Didn't feel the need to put my failures on others.

Quote from: Trond;957477OK I've got to ask; which movie is that??

Warboss Squee called it: Ninja IV: The Domination

This is why I miss indepentant video rental shops; the 80s was so full of Amazing Ridiculous films that are long forgotten

Quote from: trechriron;956550My opinion:

First, I applaud the cause. There is a decidedly horrible shortage of female game designers followed only by the slightly-less-but-still-horrible shortage of female tabletop roleplayers. It's getting better. I've seen more women sitting at tables in the cons up here in the great wet north, but improvements are always welcome.

Um, this is coming from a man who has advocated in character rape during play at the game table. So I wonder if the two things might just be related since rape tends to be a turn off.....

I'll put in my 0.02CR as well.

This is virtue signaling by Green Ronin, plain and simple. The company is making it public that they are hiring freelancers based on their genitalia and not necessarily their talent.

Quote from: Trond;957477OK I've got to ask; which movie is that??

Ninja 4: The Domination. great cheesy martial arts movie.

The lousy thing is, because of the hoopla and the obvious, self-serving, SJW bullshit, the writers who do get hired will probably get shitblasted on social media by extreme anti-sjw trolls, thus perpetuating the lie.

And of course it is a lie, because who is discriminating against women in RPGs.  Not videogames, cardgames, boardgames, or wargames but RPGs?
WotC?
Paizo?
White Wolf?
Catalyst?
Cubicle 7?
Pelgrane Press?
Evil Hat?
LotFP?
Did Nicole find out Pramas was a closet misogynist?
Any big-time supporters of this project want to name me an RPG company with discriminatory practices? Yeah. Thought not.

Who is not hiring women writers?
If there's no discrimination, then what's the point?

The truth is, any female even remotely interested in the RPG world knows that Paizo will hire them or buy their work.  In fact they know damn well the better their score on the Identity Scale, the better their chances.  Paizo is possibly the largest RPG company by employee count.

So again, what's the point?  Who will this attract?  People completely ignorant of the RPG industry who think they are incapable of getting noticed unless they have a safe space?  And that's going to be a good product? Really?

They're going to end up "discovering" people who are already published somewhere.  Just watch.

Quote from: CRKrueger;957495The lousy thing is, because of the hoopla and the obvious, self-serving, SJW bullshit, the writers who do get hired will probably get shitblasted on social media by extreme anti-sjw trolls, thus perpetuating the lie.

I hope you're wrong, but social media rarely disappoints those who expect the worst.

Of course, in the age of false flags and fake news, who even knows WTF on social media is even real. I still think half the outrage bits are deliberately planted by the opposing "side" or just dorknuggets who love the lolz of stirring up conflict. I can only imagine what unholy terror my 14 year old self would be unleashing on the planet if I had the internet back in the 80s. I probably would have 8 Twitter accounts constantly fighting with each other. So many of the SJW postings seem like parodies.