Quote from: cranebump;956979You make a fair point. And the label is dicey, at best. But in order to discuss it, I think you have to call it something. When I think of the issue, I mainly consider certain instances that affect others that have a much smaller chance of happening to me, like getting questioned by cops in my own driveway (as happened to Doug Glanville, a former major leaguer with the Phillies), or having a greater chance of being harassed.

What data supported evidence was there that the police in his area are targeting Black people without cause other than just being Black?

Quote from: Lynn;957001What data supported evidence was there that the police in his area are targeting Black people without cause other than just being Black?

And here comes Alt-Drama Clubkid Lynn waving a favorite racist argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;957015And here comes Alt-Drama Clubkid Lynn waving a favorite racist argumentum ad ignorantiam.

How is it a fallacy or racist to ask for actual evidence?

Quote from: Lynn;957017How is it a fallacy or racist to ask for actual evidence?

It is difficult to prove categorically that police are acting without proper cause, since most data collection is in their hands, and they can claim cause (often correctly) that their subjects dispute. Absence of proof, though, isn't proof that there is no racism - just that it is difficult to prove either way. There have been many local studies that have shown racial bias in police actions, although not in fatal shootings (which is the most common hot-button issue).

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/study-supports-suspicion-that-police-use-of-force-is-more-likely-for-blacks.html?_r=0

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/data-police-racial-bias

Sorry, the police shooting thing is way off-topic.  Getting back to the talent search,

Quote from: Christopher Brady;956963You know what I want?  Some definitive proof that somewhere, women are being held back from...  Well, anything, here in the West.  I can't seem to find one legal right they don't have, and yet, they claim to be oppressed.  'Oppressed' to the point where ads like this are considered effectively mandatory no matter the legalities involved.

As far as I know, ads like the Green Ronin one from the OP are extremely rare. I can't think of any other cases, so it seems to me that they are not "considered effectively mandatory" as Brady suggests.

Quote from: jhkim;957020Absence of proof, though, isn't proof that there is no racism.

Certainly, absence of proof is merely that, and nothing more.

So what are constituents (and their representatives) in hot spot locales doing in order to address the lack of evidence?

Many of the studies that get in the public spotlight lack critical and actionable details and local relevance. That is a serious problem.

Where I have the problem is that while the absence of proof isn't proof that there is no racism, neither are individual and collective subjective emotions proof there is.

Quote from: jhkim;957021As far as I know, ads like the Green Ronin one from the OP are extremely rare. I can't think of any other cases, so it seems to me that they are not "considered effectively mandatory" as Brady suggests.

Only comparison I can think of is The Fine Young Capitalist thing looking for sponsoring female videogame developers.

Quote from: Lynn;957023Where I have the problem is that while the absence of proof isn't proof that there is no racism, neither are individual and collective subjective emotions proof there is.

Didn't he post to studies on this? You glide right over them like they weren't there.

Yet again proving why arguing politics, particularly on the net, is largely pointless.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;956832OK, now I know you're deliberately trolling.  Forget it.  I've proven my point, what they are doing is a federal crime.

As Tristam points out as a Canadian why do you care? In Canada certain industries are federally required to have an equity policy that exactly replicates what GR is doing here but with the force of law. Getting pissed about something that may or may not be illegal in the US that is perfectly legal in your own country is rather odd, no?

Quote from: jhkim;957021Getting back to the talent search,

As far as I know, ads like the Green Ronin one from the OP are extremely rare. I can't think of any other cases, so it seems to me that they are not "considered effectively mandatory" as Brady suggests.

It's F&SF publishing, rather than gaming, but I listen to a trio of weekly short-fiction podcasts (PodCastle, Escape Pod, and PseudoPod) which have run an "Artemis Rising" event the last few years (three years, I think, but it might be four), during which they run only stories by female and non-binary authors in the month of March each year.  They make a point of actively soliciting female/non-binary submissions for a month or two leading up to Artemis Rising and then heavily branding their March episodes as "Artemis Rising", including direct discussion of the event in the intro segment of each episode.  They really want to be sure that everyone who has these podcasts on their radar is aware of what they're doing to promote non-male authors.

Which makes the statements in this thread about 47% of F&SF authors being women already all the more interesting.

Quote from: nDervish;957042Which makes the statements in this thread about 47% of F&SF authors being women already all the more interesting.

I'm not certain about that, what I do know from my time working in the publishing industry is that 80% of book purchases are by women, and that the romance genre sales dwarf any other genre by a huge margin.

In the early 90s, I was an assistant to a literary agent and ran my own agency for a micro-minute. I can confirm there were successful male romance authors who use female names, and of course, there have always been a few men who write romance with their own name as well. Nicholas Sparks makes a freaking fortune.

Quote from: Necrozius;956870(saw a comment on Facebook from a gal desperate to start punching "those Nazis" who are against Green Ronin's move).

Amazing how people who have never taken a punch want to punch people.

It's weird how social media has made casual threats of violence part of basic discussions.

Quote from: cranebump;956877Men face no such choice or equivalency.

Tell that to all the men who missed their kids' childhood while working.

Or the soldiers who didn't even see their kids for many months at a time.

Stay home moms trade career years for child rearing years. The men who stay in their career make more cash, but lose out on raising their kids.
 
It's absolutely a trade. People just have to decide which is more important to them, or just half ass both which is what I mostly see these days.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;956875What Obama and Trump have in common is money.

They were both the "protest / outsider candidate"

In 2008, people found it exciting to vote in the Black Guy for being Black.

In 2016, people found it exciting to vote in the Rich Guy for not being Hillary.

Quote from: shuddemell;956905I have trouble believing that if women are the strong, capable individuals I know them to be, that it is not a bit insulting to continually insist that they must have a leg up to compete. Seems a strange point of view to me.

Comedian Iliza Shlesinger has a great bit about how women "want equality...and a little more."

She also does a great bit on why you don't want to be mermaid.  She totally ruined the Little Mermaid.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;956931did you not see the dumb fuckers oozing out of the storm drains in the run up to and aftermath of the last US election?

I saw them! And they won the popular vote!

EDIT: No, bad Shipyard! Stay out of this!

Quote from: jhkim;957021Sorry, the police shooting thing is way off-topic.  Getting back to the talent search,


As far as I know, ads like the Green Ronin one from the OP are extremely rare. I can't think of any other cases, so it seems to me that they are not "considered effectively mandatory" as Brady suggests.

For RPGs I agree, so let's not lose our heads here. However, I still see why this pisses people off whenever it happens. Whenever someone caters to men specifically or (God forbid) suggests something is 'only for men' you will hear a scream of outrage from good number of people, while women only groups or whatever are applauded. It's a backlash.

People are still pushing for more women in sciences for instance. I recently told my hair dresser that of all the university science classes and lab sections I have taught each semester for the last three and a half years  (adds up to about 50 classes including lab sections), I have only had one (1) which was majority men. All the others were majority women, and sometimes nearly all women. She instantly thought this was great, and clap clap etc. So.......I had to wonder that there was apparently no notion that this MIGHT become a problem?

Quote from: Lynn;957001What data supported evidence was there that the police in his area are targeting Black people without cause other than just being Black?

Here's the article, in case you're interested.