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Great rpg art

Started by Balbinus, November 05, 2006, 02:05:27 PM

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Dr Rotwang!

#45
November 08, 2006, 09:44:09 AM
Quote from: HodgsonThe term "dungeonpunk" actually appears in the WotC D&D style guide for artists.
How is it defined?
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#46
November 08, 2006, 10:48:25 AM
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!How is it defined?

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Hodgson

#47
November 08, 2006, 10:51:38 AM
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!How is it defined?

To be honest, I don't know if its covered by my NDA, and I'm not really willing to risk breaking that by directly quoting it, my apologies for unwittingly being such a tease! :( .  But it is defined quite clearly.To vaguely summarise its all about edginess, and not being medieval.   Lots of assymetry, lots of detail, lots of quirky practicality.

Akrasia

#48
November 08, 2006, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: Hodgson... and not being medieval...

Yes, heaven forbid that D&D illustrations look in any way 'medieval'!  :rolleyes:
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ColonelHardisson

#49
November 08, 2006, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: HodgsonTo be honest, I don't know if its covered by my NDA, and I'm not really willing to risk breaking that by directly quoting it, my apologies for unwittingly being such a tease! :( .  But it is defined quite clearly.To vaguely summarise its all about edginess, and not being medieval.   Lots of assymetry, lots of detail, lots of quirky practicality.

Y'know, "dungeonpunk" as used by D&D 3e's detractors must mean something different from what I think it is. As I said, Hennet the sorcerer is the only real instance of "punk" styling I'm aware of in the core books and many of WotC's other books. The rest of what you describe doesn't exactly say "punk" to me, but if that's what WotC's guidelines say, so be it.

By the way, why would an NDA cover something that people have been alleging WotC has been doing since the release of 3e?
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ColonelHardisson

#50
November 08, 2006, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: AkrasiaYes, heaven forbid that D&D illustrations look in any way 'medieval'!  :rolleyes:

Why should they, really? I mean, it works in some cases, but even old school D&D had a mix of eras in its illustrations, from Bronze Age to Medieval to Renaissance to later Age of Reason. So the notion that D&D art in the old days was mostly Medieval really doesn't hold up under close scrutiny.
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4e definitely has an Old School feel. If you disagree, cool. I won\'t throw any hyperbole out to prove the point.

Nicephorus

#51
November 08, 2006, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: AkrasiaYes, heaven forbid that D&D illustrations look in any way 'medieval'!  :rolleyes:

Actually, it's the reasonable course.  It recognizes that D&D is it's own sort of fantasy, not medieval Europe.  The art should reflect that uniqueness.

Hodgson

#52
November 08, 2006, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: ColonelHardissonBy the way, why would an NDA cover something that people have been alleging WotC has been doing since the release of 3e?

I think this kinda sums up the disconnect quite well.  To people who like it, dungeonpunk is new (well it was in, what, 2002?) fresh, exciting, contemporary. To people who dislike it, it is faddish and not as good-as-it-was in-my-day-omg-piercings!


Old man: urgh! You call this music? This is just noise!
Kid: Yeah its great!

;)

So its not so much a case of WotC being alleged to be doing something, so much as they are gleefully doing something that some folks don't like.  I think, at least.

Hodgson

#53
November 08, 2006, 11:04:36 AM
Quote from: NicephorusActually, it's the reasonable course.  It recognizes that D&D is it's own sort of fantasy, not medieval Europe.  The art should reflect that uniqueness.

Got it in one.

Of course there's certain historical influences in the mix, but if you look at the art of a prime 3E mover like Wayne Reynolds for example, he brings a lot of non-euro-medieval things to the table.

ColonelHardisson

#54
November 08, 2006, 11:09:45 AM
Quote from: HodgsonI think this kinda sums up the disconnect quite well.  To people who like it, dungeonpunk is new (well it was in, what, 2002?) fresh, exciting, contemporary. To people who dislike it, it is faddish and not as good-as-it-was in-my-day-omg-piercings!


Old man: urgh! You call this music? This is just noise!
Kid: Yeah its great!

;)

So its not so much a case of WotC being alleged to be doing something, so much as they are gleefully doing something that some folks don't like.  I think, at least.

I'm still not clear on this. So WotC just now put "dungeonpunk" into NDAs, even though they've been doing what people call "dungeonpunk" all along? Does this mean there will be any significant alteration in style in future products?
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4e definitely has an Old School feel. If you disagree, cool. I won\'t throw any hyperbole out to prove the point.

Dr Rotwang!

#55
November 08, 2006, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: HodgsonTo be honest, I don't know if its covered by my NDA, and I'm not really willing to risk breaking that by directly quoting it, my apologies for unwittingly being such a tease! :( .  But it is defined quite clearly.To vaguely summarise its all about edginess, and not being medieval.   Lots of assymetry, lots of detail, lots of quirky practicality.
Yeah, don't jeopardize that.  It's cool.  But your definition as given fits just fine as an answer, so...thanks!

For my own part, I totally see why dungeonpunk,but my own tastes are for 1980s' FRPG art, as I've stated before.
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James McMurray

#56
November 08, 2006, 11:31:37 AM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Hackmaster's art. It's great, captures the feel of the game, and makes me want to buy every book they put out.

Sosthenes

#57
November 08, 2006, 11:36:30 AM
The brothers Fraim? Yep, interesting comic book art.

And the PCs get it on the covers! Which is apparently something that WotC doesn't allow you...
 

Akrasia

#58
November 08, 2006, 11:39:57 AM
Quote from: ColonelHardissonY'know, "dungeonpunk" as used by D&D 3e's detractors must mean something different from what I think it is....

Actively disliking 3e art does not mean that one dislikes the game itself.

I know lots of 3e fans who prefer the more dynamic art found in the 1e books.
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Akrasia

#59
November 08, 2006, 11:41:35 AM
Quote from: ColonelHardissonWhy should they, really? I mean, it works in some cases, but even old school D&D had a mix of eras in its illustrations, from Bronze Age to Medieval to Renaissance to later Age of Reason. So the notion that D&D art in the old days was mostly Medieval really doesn't hold up under close scrutiny.

Well, I agree that the old art was not exclusively 'Medieval' in nature.

It just seems strange that WotC would actively discourage the use of Medieval armour, etc.
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