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Goodman Games Rethinking Its Approach

Started by jeff37923, January 05, 2010, 04:37:53 PM

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Quote from: Chgowiz;353752Ha! That's funny!

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I always think of Osric the Usurper, Max von Sydow's character in the first Conan flick.
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Quote from: jrients;353840I always think of Osric the Usurper, Max von Sydow's character in the first Conan flick.

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Quote from: camazotz;353556Agreed, here....WotC has terrible modules, although they are very clean and concise, but most people I know just parse out the content and take the maps, and I've yet to see anyone run one as-is. Hell, when 4E first came out I ran the Keep on the Shadowfell for two sessions before I realized what a trainwreck it was and quickly wrote up a patch-and-replace scenario to keep my game on track.
This has been a problem for years though, one of the higher level mod's for 3e had players going to the positive energy plane and didn't happen to mention that they would DIE without something to give them oxygen to breath.



Quote from: camazotz;353556Now, that said I think Goodman Games is a victim of a different problem entirely: quality issues. Some of their books for 4E have been great (Blackdirge's Dungeon Denizens, Scythe and Shroud, and the recent Azagar's Book of Rituals are three of my faves that I use and abuse) but the modules they have produced so far have not handled the 4E system well at all; they're a mess, honestly.
So far pretty much anything I've picked up that Blackdirge has done has impressed me, The adventure in Level Up#2 is amazing, and I'm loveing the Rituals book.  The later Punjar adventures seem to be getting better, but that's reading them as opposed to running them.

As far as the adventure question, depending on how they were done, I would be fine with download stats for monsters, it would let me write on the pages without having to make photocopies of the adventure or permanently deface it.
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Quote from: Hairfoot;353722Joe got a six-day ban for posting that link at ENworld today.

Seems Joe Goodman, like god, is not mocked.

Did I?  Hehe. That's pretty funny.  I go there maybe weekly these days to read stuff, and I think I posted 3 times since June.  No biggie.
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Quote from: Seanchai;353288Yeah. I think he's going to find that being top dog a game system that's not as popular as 4e even less appealing. The trouble isn't the system, it's the product.

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Agreed, but it's not just the system. It's the quality of product. No more "Dumping Ground Classics."
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Quote from: Joethelawyer;353898Did I?  Hehe. That's pretty funny.  I go there maybe weekly these days to read stuff, and I think I posted 3 times since June.  No biggie.

Well lets see, lets count the ways your post was incredibly dickish.

1) You knowingly linked to your post on your blog that directly repeated a post that had been deleted previously on EnWorld for inappropriate content (and that was the stated purpose of you having been put on that other board - right there in the opening paragraphs - you knew it was inappropriate content for EnWorld, and stated that, and then linked to it anyway);

2) You had previously left EnWorld in a huge huff, claiming you would never be back again, and essentially giving the finger to all the mods in a rather public way.  And then, you broke your promise with the aforementioned fucked up post.

You're lucky it was not a permaban, and it had nothing at all to do with criticizing Goodman, and everything to do with you behaving like a child.

jeff37923

Quote from: Mistwell;353902Well lets see, lets count the ways your post was incredibly dickish.

1) You knowingly linked to a post on another board that directly repeated a post that had been deleted previously on EnWorld for inappropriate content (and that was the stated purpose of it having been put on that other board - right there in the opening paragraphs);

2) You had previously left EnWorld in a huge huff, claiming you would never be back again, and essentially giving the finger to all the mods in a rather public way.  And then, you broke your promise with the aforementioned fucked up post.

You're lucky it was not a permaban, and it had nothing at all to do with criticizing Goodman, and everything to do with you behaving like a child.


Damn that little kid Joe for pointing out the Emperor has no clothes!
"Meh."

Captain Rufus

Quote from: Mistwell;353902Well lets see, lets count the ways your post was incredibly dickish.

1) You knowingly linked to your post on your blog that directly repeated a post that had been deleted previously on EnWorld for inappropriate content (and that was the stated purpose of you having been put on that other board - right there in the opening paragraphs - you knew it was inappropriate content for EnWorld, and stated that, and then linked to it anyway);

2) You had previously left EnWorld in a huge huff, claiming you would never be back again, and essentially giving the finger to all the mods in a rather public way.  And then, you broke your promise with the aforementioned fucked up post.

You're lucky it was not a permaban, and it had nothing at all to do with criticizing Goodman, and everything to do with you behaving like a child.

From what your post says now that Gary is dead, EnWorld is clearly a bigger shithole than RPGnet is on its worst day.

If what Joe said was OMG BAAAAD, who the bloody fuck would want to go to such a pussy, syncophantic place?

Goodman is being a little bitch, and as a public (sorta) figure if he can't handle a little bad press or commentary on his stupid he should get into a new industry or something.  I doubt the Bonsai tree community would cause him any butthurt.

I mean, its not like Joe said he fucked his mom in the ass or something.

He took Goodman to task, and Goodman came out like a tool.  Goodman keeps making posts to the internet that make him look even toolier.

What's it that that TV show review site says?

"Spare the snark, spoil the networks"?

Well it applies to hobby gaming too.

Goodman can't take it he should fuck off.  And so should forum sites that want to be shiny happy pussies.

There is a level that is cunty and dickish.  Joe the Lawyer did NOT hit it.  He didn't get close.

If Goodman has a brain he will LEARN from the experience.

I mean, I posted some of my for fun projects here, and while the commentary was in some cases asshole-ish, it gave me something to THINK ABOUT and may lead to me IMPROVING MY WORK.  

Goodman sells his stuff for money.  Something most of us have very little of.  (And thanks to medical bills some of us get to have EVEN LESS.)

He should start learning how to improve his products AND show better PR online instead of crying from his bleeding cunt every time someone says something about his company's products he doesn't like.

ENWorld is clearly enabling him to be a big pussy.

YOU ARE KEEPING GOODMAN FROM BEING A MAN.  

Which means in the LONG RUN you are in fact hurting Goodman, hurting Goodman Games and its employees/freelancers, and the gaming industry as a whole.

If they keep releasing flawed products eventually enough people will stop buying them, and the net effect may mean less sales overall for the company, and game stores which could cause said stores to close meaning less places for people to buy things meaning less money coming into gaming in general.

CATS AND DOGS LIVING TOGETHER MASS HYSTERIA!

Joethelawyer

Quote from: jeff37923;353903Damn that little kid Joe for pointing out the Emperor has no clothes!

:)

All the posts that came before the huge huff are on my blog too. I actually had the bad manners, poor taste, and i guess "dickishness" to ask for an straight-up answer from WOTC's PR guy (before they fired him) on whether or not WOTC would state if they intended on going after the retroclone publishers for copyright infringement.  I didn't think the don't ask don't tell policy was fair.  

http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/2009/06/question-for-wotcrouse-re-retroclones.html

http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/2009/06/more-on-my-question-on-wotcs-position.html

Seems the mods and owner of the board didn't like me putting someone from their favorite company on the spot.  

So yeah, I left in a huff.  Go figure.

But now I'm here.  :)
~Joe
Chaotic Lawyer and Shit-Stirrer

JRients:   "Joe the Lawyer is a known shit-stirrer. He stirred the shit. He got banned. Asking what he did to stir the shit introduces unnecessary complication to the scenario, therefore he was banned for stirring the shit."


Now Blogging at http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/


Erik Mona: "Woah. Surely you\'re not _that_ Joe!"

Joethelawyer

Quote from: Mistwell;353902Well lets see, lets count the ways your post was incredibly dickish.

1) You knowingly linked to your post on your blog that directly repeated a post that had been deleted previously on EnWorld for inappropriate content (and that was the stated purpose of you having been put on that other board - right there in the opening paragraphs - you knew it was inappropriate content for EnWorld, and stated that, and then linked to it anyway);

2) You had previously left EnWorld in a huge huff, claiming you would never be back again, and essentially giving the finger to all the mods in a rather public way.  And then, you broke your promise with the aforementioned fucked up post.

You're lucky it was not a permaban, and it had nothing at all to do with criticizing Goodman, and everything to do with you behaving like a child.

As to #1, you assume I care about their definition of appropriateness.

As to #2, yeah the farewell fuck you was fun.  :)  And I actually broke my promise at least twice before this--once to post my condolences regarding Rouse's getting fired by WOTC, and once to respond in a necromancied thread  where someone gave me board experience points for my comments.

And it actually was about criticizing Goodman and causing some waves.  I kinda like doing that.
~Joe
Chaotic Lawyer and Shit-Stirrer

JRients:   "Joe the Lawyer is a known shit-stirrer. He stirred the shit. He got banned. Asking what he did to stir the shit introduces unnecessary complication to the scenario, therefore he was banned for stirring the shit."


Now Blogging at http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/


Erik Mona: "Woah. Surely you\'re not _that_ Joe!"

Joethelawyer

Quote from: Captain Rufus;353910I mean, its not like Joe said he fucked his mom in the ass or something.

He took Goodman to task, and Goodman came out like a tool.  Goodman keeps making posts to the internet that make him look even toolier.


Just to make clear...

I would love to take credit for the satirical post but another guy actually wrote it. I saw the brilliance of it, and knew instantly it would be banned from ENWorld due to said billiance and for daring to go against the Established Order, and saved it. I emailed the guy who wrote it and asked permission to post it to my blog. He thanked me for saving it, as he hadn't made a copy for himself and it would have been lost otherwise, and gave me permission.  I gave him the writing credits at the top of the post.

I do take credit for reposting the link to it the other day though. :)  Sometimes people need to be reminded just how tight their asses are.

As to my mother and her ass and my sexual  habits, no comment.
~Joe
Chaotic Lawyer and Shit-Stirrer

JRients:   "Joe the Lawyer is a known shit-stirrer. He stirred the shit. He got banned. Asking what he did to stir the shit introduces unnecessary complication to the scenario, therefore he was banned for stirring the shit."


Now Blogging at http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/


Erik Mona: "Woah. Surely you\'re not _that_ Joe!"

Joethelawyer

#102
Oh, and I also take credit for defacing this picture of Greg Leeds, President of WOTC, after WOTC pulled the pdf's.

I admit this was completely childish and had me giggling like a 6 yr old the entire time I was doing it.  :)

http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/2009/04/my-response-to-wotcs-response.html
~Joe
Chaotic Lawyer and Shit-Stirrer

JRients:   "Joe the Lawyer is a known shit-stirrer. He stirred the shit. He got banned. Asking what he did to stir the shit introduces unnecessary complication to the scenario, therefore he was banned for stirring the shit."


Now Blogging at http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/


Erik Mona: "Woah. Surely you\'re not _that_ Joe!"

Kellri

Quote from: JoethelawyerI actually had the bad manners, poor taste, and i guess "dickishness" to ask for an straight-up answer from WOTC's PR guy (before they fired him) on whether or not WOTC would state if they intended on going after the retroclone publishers for copyright infringement.

The short answer that WOTC seems incapable of admitting is no. That hasn't stopped 3rd-party guys like Goodman from throwing about "concerns" or "possible legal issues" every chance they get though (on ENWorld). Tellingly, he doesn't try to pull that shit elsewhere - where he'll get a fistful of '1st Edition Feel' to set him straight.  

Go ahead, be "dickish". After all, ENWorld is the rpg communities' version of the Fleshlight. If you can't mock juvenile masturbators, who can you mock??
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Mistwell

I love it.  Some of you guys are focusing on the content of what Joe linked to, and claiming that is why he was banned, as opposed to the actual stated reason why he was banned.

Joe linked to something not allowed at EnWorld.  It didn't matter WHAT it was that he linked to.  It could have been porn or whatever.  The only relevant fact was it was not allowed, AND HE KNEW, FOR SURE, UP FRONT, THAT IT WAS NOT ALLOWED.  He said that, in the thing he was linking to, that he knew it was not allowed.

That's why he was banned.  Not because it was about Goodman.  Not because it was criticism.  Not any of that bullshit strawman stuff.  He was banned for linking to something he knew damn well was not allowed on that board, because it had been previously deleted (for whatever reason).

And if someone left THIS board in a big huff claiming the mods were all assholes and he would never post again, and then he did in fact post again and did it in a manner that clearly broke the rules (like linking to a post previously deleted), almost everyone here would be calling them to task for it.

Joe, you were being a childish dick, and you know it.  Pretending it was about Goodman rather than you intentionally trying to get around a board rule by linking to a deleted post, after you left in a big whine at the mods, was an immature thing for you to do.