Quote from: mcbobbo on December 08, 2023, 05:24:40 PM

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on December 08, 2023, 05:12:43 PM
That bit about changed art is the most interesting. From the previous posted art it doesn't seem like it's related to the woke changes but just art updates, so I am curious how they look.

Roger roger.  Here's some more examples...

That first example shows that they are anti- lizard folk. I think lizard folk should launch a complaint to Goodman for not being inclusive.

It's obvious all the art changes were done for woke reasons:

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 08, 2023, 05:24:40 PM

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on December 08, 2023, 05:12:43 PM
That bit about changed art is the most interesting. From the previous posted art it doesn't seem like it's related to the woke changes but just art updates, so I am curious how they look.

Roger roger.  Here's some more examples...
*EXAMPLE OMITTED*

First one is a change from a guy fighting lizard men to just some explorers.

Obviously they did not want to portray lizardmen as just some evil monsters to fight - they have their own unique culture 'mkay. And obviously they did not want to have people think that it was ok for a human to just kill lizardmen...

Because the game already has enough violence, right?

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 08, 2023, 05:25:03 PM
Another... *EXAMPLE OMITTED*

The first group is obviously trying to rob a very egyptian looking sarcophagus. Any sensitivity reader good at their grift is getting that tossed instantly.

So now they are just opening a plain, culturally neutral, treasure chest...

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 08, 2023, 05:25:27 PM
Another another... *EXAMPLE OMITTED*

All too easy. Venka speaks the truth:

Quote from: Venka on December 08, 2023, 07:40:58 PM
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Ok but seriously then, the removal of a crucifix is absolutely never an accident, and that then was the point...

White male Christian Cross wielding Cleric out. Androgynous horned armored "Cleric", with horned demon symbol on chest in. The inversion was strong with this one...


Mcbobbo has bravely done all the legwork. And upon review of his findings, there is only one conclusion to be made:

Goodman games has become Fake and Gay.

Quote from: Venka on December 08, 2023, 07:40:58 PM
Ok but seriously then, the removal of a crucifix is absolutely never an accident, and that then was the point- replace the character with one that wouldn't have a cross.

   I'm trying to decide if "Christophobic" or "Cruciphobic" is the better term for the Unofficial Bigotry of the Hobby ...

   Meanwhile, I see Goodman Games is hosting a chat with Michael Moorcock, so they seem to be increasing on their alliance with Chaotic Evil.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on December 09, 2023, 04:33:48 PM

Quote from: Venka on December 08, 2023, 07:40:58 PM
Ok but seriously then, the removal of a crucifix is absolutely never an accident, and that then was the point- replace the character with one that wouldn't have a cross.

   I'm trying to decide if "Christophobic" or "Cruciphobic" is the better term for the Unofficial Bigotry of the Hobby ...

Misevangelium (hatred of The Good News) I think fits the description, especially given how many seem to prefer nihilism and crying about impending doom. They can never be happy because they've defined their identity by their "oppression."

Quote from: Exploderwizard on December 07, 2023, 07:46:04 AM
It is sad really. How many companies are going to take a big fat dump on their loyal fans in order to try and and appease a very small group of whiny bitches who don't even buy their product? The lack of business sense here is staggering.

I think they're banking on a future of whiny bitches, because us old son of bitches are going to die off.

Quote from: DocJones on December 10, 2023, 07:24:47 PM

Quote from: Exploderwizard on December 07, 2023, 07:46:04 AM
It is sad really. How many companies are going to take a big fat dump on their loyal fans in order to try and and appease a very small group of whiny bitches who don't even buy their product? The lack of business sense here is staggering.

I think they're banking on a future of whiny bitches, because us old son of bitches are going to die off.

Thing is most of those whiny bitches don't buy the THING once the THING has been changed to appeal/appease them.

Goodman Games is overrepresented on my game shelf. In the interest of diversity and inclusion, I'll no longer be buying their products. What are some good alternatives to DCC?

Quote from: Spiked Flail on December 10, 2023, 09:20:37 PM
Goodman Games is overrepresented on my game shelf. In the interest of diversity and inclusion, I'll no longer be buying their products. What are some good alternatives to DCC?

Lion and Dragon is excellent OSR gaming.  An OSE box set is cool.

Quote from: Spiked Flail on December 10, 2023, 09:20:37 PM
Goodman Games is overrepresented on my game shelf. In the interest of diversity and inclusion, I'll no longer be buying their products. What are some good alternatives to DCC?

Greg Gillespie's Dragonslayer RPG will be dropping early next year.  It's designed to go with his already published megadungeons.  Pretty much a mash-up of AD&D and B/X with a few tweaks & house rules.  The look and feel are definitely TSR ca. 1982 right down to using some of the old TSR artists.  And the SJW's hate him so if you're really looking to make a point, there you go. 

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 05, 2023, 05:16:43 PM
Heredity is not race.

Race is the concept that groups of ethnicities are monoliths who all act the same way, behave the same things, believe the same things, or otherwise are the same.  It's false now, and it always has been false.

It's a tool used exclusively to divide the ignorant so the elites can more easily rule them.

Don't fall for it.

"I have a bunch of hang-ups and personal baggage about the word Race, ergo all of my personal connotations are objectively part of the word and concept, so you must stop using the word."

Quote from: zircher on December 07, 2023, 10:38:49 AM
Just to comment on that tangent, one of the best games I ever played was when the group spontaneously decided to all play dwarves.  Great series of games and we got to do a deep dive on Dwarven lore and culture.

Hopefully you didn't delve too greedily and too deep.

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 11, 2023, 02:41:37 PM
"I have a bunch of hang-ups and personal baggage about the word Race, ergo all of my personal connotations are objectively part of the word and concept, so you must stop using the word."

I'm really shocked at how many of you want to cling to this idea.

I'm not shocked at how you'd attempt to 'other' me rather than engage with the thought.  Some things never change.

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 11, 2023, 03:17:34 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 11, 2023, 02:41:37 PM
"I have a bunch of hang-ups and personal baggage about the word Race, ergo all of my personal connotations are objectively part of the word and concept, so you must stop using the word."

I'm really shocked at how many of you want to cling to this idea.

I'm not shocked at how you'd attempt to 'other' me rather than engage with the thought.  Some things never change.

Race is shorthand for 'belonging to a group that share genes based on past relative geographic isolation.' It's perfectly understood, and functional.

People from different gene groups have very real biological differences beyond skin color. You simply have to research things like bone marrow transplants, or diabetes/sickle cell, to understand this.

Thinking people are from monoliths, or taking stereotypes as solid facts, are associated with the word, but not an inherent part of its meaning.

Quote from: Spiked Flail on December 10, 2023, 09:20:37 PM
Goodman Games is overrepresented on my game shelf. In the interest of diversity and inclusion, I'll no longer be buying their products. What are some good alternatives to DCC?

Hyperborea is decent. It's not as gonzo. The adventure library is not nearly as large as DDC's, but you can run AD&D material pretty much as written.

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 11, 2023, 03:26:42 PM
Race is shorthand for 'belonging to a group that share genes based on past relative geographic isolation.' It's perfectly understood, and functional.

Leprechauns are also perfectly understood and functional as a concept.  They happen to be mythological (as far as I'm aware).

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 11, 2023, 03:26:42 PM
People from different gene groups have very real biological differences beyond skin color. You simply have to research things like bone marrow transplants, or diabetes/sickle cell, to understand this.

Biologically, we're all one race - human.  Heredity is not race, and it is specific to individuals.

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 11, 2023, 03:26:42 PM
Thinking people are from monoliths, or taking stereotypes as solid facts, are associated with the word, but not an inherent part of its meaning.

In a topic with the word "white' in its title, you don't get to make that claim with any integrity.  "White" is very, very clearly not a biological term.  It's a purely social one.

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 11, 2023, 03:17:34 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 11, 2023, 02:41:37 PM
"I have a bunch of hang-ups and personal baggage about the word Race, ergo all of my personal connotations are objectively part of the word and concept, so you must stop using the word."

I'm really shocked at how many of you want to cling to this idea.

I'm not shocked at how you'd attempt to 'other' me rather than engage with the thought.  Some things never change.

If you've noticed, I've not engaged you on this issue.  However, I understand everyone else's difficulty in how you are presenting an unconventional line of thought.  Even I have to slow down and carefully think about what you are trying to say.  I'm not trying to throw shade, I just want to suggest that you consider that you're being casual with shaking up a foundational understanding of things and it comes across kind of difficult for many.  Maybe think about selling the idea rather than assume everyone should already be onboard with it?

I do think your heart is in the right place and there is some merit to your position.  Peace?