Okay, I now have a headache and am ready to stop my book comparison.  The list follows below.  I can answer questions.  I could keep going, but I'm just tired.  My big takeaways are:

1) Some woke language changes, even when they don't make sense.  Not as extensive as WotC did, and done mostly via sloppy find/replace.  Dark elves are still "black-skinned", there's still slavery, disability, Alignment is still mandatory, etc.

2) Spiritual changes that we knew about, and a similar one that surprised me - they removed the OSR from the book.

3) The new print targets 5e players.

4) Dozens of art changes.

5) When they touched a section due to art or edits, they reformatted it a bit.

6) Very few actual errata fixes.


The list:


01) Art replaced
Page(s) 04, 05, 08, 29, 32, 40, 41, 47-48, 53, 61, etc.

02) "understanding the history and significance of the Elder Gods Gygax and Arneson and their cohorts Bledsaw, Holmes, Jaquays, Kask, Kuntz, Mentzer, Moldvay, and Ward,"
replaced with
"aware that a party is strongest when it is most diverse, acknowledging fantasy's roots while helping it grow to meet the challenges of the future,"
Page 10

03) "knowledgeable of the role of "judge""
replaced with
"acquainted with the role of "judge""
Page 10

04) "Nicholson" added to the list of denizens
Page 10

05) System comparison changed from 3e to 5e
Page 12

06) "his"
replaced with
"their"
Page 17 is first, but these are too numerous to count

Note - many of these are a bad find and replace, e.g. multiple sentences beginning with a lower case 't' in 'they'/'their'.  Also 'him' and 'himself' seem to have been left alone.  And some of these are worse writing, 'a mother defending her cubs' became 'a mother defending their cubs'.  Additionally Gary Gygax gets misgendered multiple times due to this approach. Finally, on page 35 "his or her belongings" gets replaced with "their or their belongings" (no, I'm not kidding.)

07) "gypsy"
replaced with
"wanderer" or "witch"
Page 22 and 106

08) "mankind", "man", "brothers", etc
replaced with
"humanity", etc
Page 25 is first, but these are too numerous to count

09) Mechanical or formatting updates, "Agility score higher than 16" to "17"
Page 61, Page 70, Page 121

10) Appendix N now contains a Post Script that recommends additional books
Page 444

11) "APPENDIX O: OSR RESOURCES" replaced with "APPENDIX O: ORIGINS, POINTS OF"
Note - OSR has been excised from the book.  It can be found only twice now.  Once in the index (because it should have been updated and wasn't) and once in the author's comment that they "did not set out to create a retroclone (in the OSR sense)".  The chapter that was about OSR is now about DCC.

12) "Medicine man"
replaced with
"Healer"
Page 450/454

13) YDDGRRL'S MAZE is replaced by KEEP OFF THE BORDERLAND
Page 457/461

14) The ads in the back are significantly different, as may be expected.

Quote from: rytrasmi on December 08, 2023, 12:01:44 PM
Sure good news, but what are the values and principles of this company? Follow whoever screams loudest?

Yes, you are right.  I hate DCC and they are too woke anyway so they will never get my money.  It is sad how Goodman bent the knee to the woke crowd and there is no turning him around, I believe Goodman and his company are lost to the dark side for good.

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 08, 2023, 12:05:11 PM
Okay, I now have a headache and am ready to stop my book comparison.  The list follows below.  I can answer questions.  I could keep going, but I'm just tired.  My big takeaways are:

1) Some woke language changes, even when they don't make sense.  Not as extensive as WotC did, and done mostly via sloppy find/replace.  Dark elves are still "black-skinned", there's still slavery, disability, Alignment is still mandatory, etc.

2) Spiritual changes that we knew about, and a similar one that surprised me - they removed the OSR from the book.

3) The new print targets 5e players.

4) Dozens of art changes.

5) When they touched a section due to art or edits, they reformatted it a bit.

6) Very few actual errata fixes.


The list:


01) Art replaced
Page(s) 04, 05, 08, 29, 32, 40, 41, 47-48, 53, 61, etc.

02) "understanding the history and significance of the Elder Gods Gygax and Arneson and their cohorts Bledsaw, Holmes, Jaquays, Kask, Kuntz, Mentzer, Moldvay, and Ward,"
replaced with
"aware that a party is strongest when it is most diverse, acknowledging fantasy's roots while helping it grow to meet the challenges of the future,"
Page 10

03) "knowledgeable of the role of "judge""
replaced with
"acquainted with the role of "judge""
Page 10

04) "Nicholson" added to the list of denizens
Page 10

05) System comparison changed from 3e to 5e
Page 12

06) "his"
replaced with
"their"
Page 17 is first, but these are too numerous to count

Note - many of these are a bad find and replace, e.g. multiple sentences beginning with a lower case 't' in 'they'/'their'.  Also 'him' and 'himself' seem to have been left alone.  And some of these are worse writing, 'a mother defending her cubs' became 'a mother defending their cubs'.  Additionally Gary Gygax gets misgendered multiple times due to this approach. Finally, on page 35 "his or her belongings" gets replaced with "their or their belongings" (no, I'm not kidding.)

07) "gypsy"
replaced with
"wanderer" or "witch"
Page 22 and 106

08) "mankind", "man", "brothers", etc
replaced with
"humanity", etc
Page 25 is first, but these are too numerous to count

09) Mechanical or formatting updates, "Agility score higher than 16" to "17"
Page 61, Page 70, Page 121

10) Appendix N now contains a Post Script that recommends additional books
Page 444

11) "APPENDIX O: OSR RESOURCES" replaced with "APPENDIX O: ORIGINS, POINTS OF"
Note - OSR has been excised from the book.  It can be found only twice now.  Once in the index (because it should have been updated and wasn't) and once in the author's comment that they "did not set out to create a retroclone (in the OSR sense)".  The chapter that was about OSR is now about DCC.

12) "Medicine man"
replaced with
"Healer"
Page 450/454

13) YDDGRRL'S MAZE is replaced by KEEP OFF THE BORDERLAND
Page 457/461

14) The ads in the back are significantly different, as may be expected.

Wow you took one for the team here!

This tells me that progressiveness is so important to them, one of their fundamental values, they spent a whole entire hour (!) editing their rule book.

And they've also helpfully clarified that they believe that gypsies are wanderers and witches.

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 08, 2023, 12:05:11 PM
Note - many of these are a bad find and replace, e.g. multiple sentences beginning with a lower case 't' in 'they'/'their'.  Also 'him' and 'himself' seem to have been left alone.  And some of these are worse writing, 'a mother defending her cubs' became 'a mother defending their cubs'.  Additionally Gary Gygax gets misgendered multiple times due to this approach. Finally, on page 35 "his or her belongings" gets replaced with "their or their belongings" (no, I'm not kidding.)

..

11) "APPENDIX O: OSR RESOURCES" replaced with "APPENDIX O: ORIGINS, POINTS OF"
Note - OSR has been excised from the book.  It can be found only twice now.  Once in the index (because it should have been updated and wasn't) and once in the author's comment that they "did not set out to create a retroclone (in the OSR sense)".  The chapter that was about OSR is now about DCC.

...

12) "Medicine man"
replaced with
"Healer"
Page 450/454

I want a book that exclusively uses masculine pronouns and has a little blurb at the top that explains that these can be understood as neutral pronouns.  Second edition even did this, and of course, it was taught in schools for like over a century or more.  One can, of course, make a case for 'his or hers' (but never plural pronouns, of course).  But the reason I want it is because anyone saying that is simply not ever gonna be welcomed by Team Politics Gender Subversion Squad.

"Medicine Man" becoming "Healer" is so wildly cucked it's unreal.

The actual "their and their" bit is amazing though.  I really love that it's a hot mess of editing fuckery as he stamps over anything that could be perceived as non-political, and I also love that his reaction to government media attacks on the OSR (if you're a fellow American, your tax dollars at work defaming you here: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/how-a-new-generation-of-gamers-is-pushing-for-inclusivity-beyond-the-table ! ) is to erase mentions of the OSR.

Also extraordinary work compiling this.

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Now, on to an earlier topic that you had mentioned in recent posts (I forget exactly which thread).  You had mentioned that race wasn't real.  But I have a definition of race that seems pretty real.
Check out this document:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684
The "bipartisan infrastructure bill", and search for "minority".  You'll see statements like "In selecting eligible entities to receive grants under the Program, the Secretary shall give priority to eligible entities that are minority-owned."
So there's your definition for "white", and it's real- if you don't qualify for all these various tucked-away, bloodline-defined privileges and carved out benefits, if you are NOT legally privileged... then you're white.  That's race.  It's biological, because it's inherited and the government will punish your kids just the same as you if your mate is also "white", and it's real, because it's all about what jobs you aren't allowed to have if you're white, and what opportunities are systematically denied you.
Maybe there's other definitions, but anti-white activists have no problem targeting white people.  It doesn't matter if the whole race, or all races and the concept of race, are scientifically fictional- it's real enough in all of the myraid lawbooks this empire produces and wields, and that should be a functional enough definition.

I don't want to go too far afield again, except to say that governments can be as delusional as individuals.  If not more so.  They have this view, but they are just perpetuating the myth.  Make sense?

That bit about changed art is the most interesting. From the previous posted art it doesn't seem like it's related to the woke changes but just art updates, so I am curious how they look.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on December 08, 2023, 05:12:43 PM
That bit about changed art is the most interesting. From the previous posted art it doesn't seem like it's related to the woke changes but just art updates, so I am curious how they look.

Roger roger.  Here's some more examples...

Another...

Another another...

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 08, 2023, 05:25:27 PM
Another another...

This change removes a crucifix and swaps a sex, it's definitely been done for those reasons.
Edit: Well I assume the new right image is a woman.  I'm actually not 100% sure.

The others don't seem to have an angle.

Quote from: rytrasmi on December 08, 2023, 12:01:44 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on December 08, 2023, 11:03:41 AM
From Tekkars Tavern it appears people reached out regarding the luminaries including Gary GyGax and Dave Arneson being removed and the line is being readded in the next printing:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IsUxirgMaQ

Good news.  Still hate DCC but at least there is one less game company trying to erase Gary and Dave from the hobby.

Sure good news, but what are the values and principles of this company? Follow whoever screams loudest?

Looks like. The worst of all possible worlds, because they'll just be pawns in the culture war, and their content will suffer as they spend more time trying to thread the needle of appeasing everyone, instead of making fun games.

Quote from: Venka on December 08, 2023, 05:45:29 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 08, 2023, 05:25:27 PM
Another another...

This change removes a crucifix and swaps a sex, it's definitely been done for those reasons.
Edit: Well I assume the new right image is a woman.  I'm actually not 100% sure.

The others don't seem to have an angle.

The latter looks like a warlock or something.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on December 08, 2023, 07:17:11 PM
The latter looks like a warlock or something.

Well you know with how hairless and lanky they is, maybe warlocks is females, you know, just around the campfire...

Ok but seriously then, the removal of a crucifix is absolutely never an accident, and that then was the point- replace the character with one that wouldn't have a cross.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on December 08, 2023, 07:17:11 PM

Quote from: Venka on December 08, 2023, 05:45:29 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 08, 2023, 05:25:27 PM
Another another...

This change removes a crucifix and swaps a sex, it's definitely been done for those reasons.
Edit: Well I assume the new right image is a woman.  I'm actually not 100% sure.

The others don't seem to have an angle.

The latter looks like a warlock or something.

Not sure. But it feels like the violence level in several was toned down? Least the ones seen so far.

Quote from: Omega on December 08, 2023, 11:39:09 PM

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on December 08, 2023, 07:17:11 PM

Quote from: Venka on December 08, 2023, 05:45:29 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 08, 2023, 05:25:27 PM
Another another...

This change removes a crucifix and swaps a sex, it's definitely been done for those reasons.
Edit: Well I assume the new right image is a woman.  I'm actually not 100% sure.

The others don't seem to have an angle.

The latter looks like a warlock or something.

Not sure. But it feels like the violence level in several was toned down? Least the ones seen so far.

Yeah, at this rate in the 11th printing corruption will just turn you into a care bear.