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Goodman Games apologizes for being white.

Started by Ratman_tf, December 02, 2023, 08:40:22 PM

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mAcular Chaotic

#60
December 06, 2023, 04:01:56 AM
Battle doesn\'t need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don\'t ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don\'t ask why I fight.

Brad

#61
December 06, 2023, 04:46:24 AM
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on December 06, 2023, 04:01:56 AM


"most diverse"

For some reason, I don't think they're referring to having a cleric and thief in the party...
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Ratman_tf

#62
December 06, 2023, 01:19:53 PM
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on December 06, 2023, 04:01:56 AM


That's both cringeworthy, and illustrative of how "diversity" destroys games. The old version of the statement were a lighthearted homage to the creatives of the industry. The new version is "diversity" garbage that tries to deny and avoid the context of OSR type games.
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mcbobbo

#63
December 06, 2023, 02:14:15 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 06, 2023, 01:19:53 PM
That's both cringeworthy, and illustrative of how "diversity" destroys games. The old version of the statement were a lighthearted homage to the creatives of the industry. The new version is "diversity" garbage that tries to deny and avoid the context of OSR type games.

I agree 100%.  The original is a loyalty statement to the game as a whole.  The latter is a nothing statement that won't ever appease the mob it targets.
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Melan

#64
December 06, 2023, 03:48:39 PM
The second one's also a loyalty statement, to Mr. Goodman's new masters.
Now with a Zine!
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mcbobbo

#65
December 06, 2023, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: Melan on December 06, 2023, 03:48:39 PM
The second one's also a loyalty statement, to Mr. Goodman's new masters.

But it's so very, very milktoast compared to what they would want to see...
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

rytrasmi

#66
December 06, 2023, 06:03:36 PM
Quote from: Brad on December 06, 2023, 04:46:24 AM
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on December 06, 2023, 04:01:56 AM


"most diverse"

For some reason, I don't think they're referring to having a cleric and thief in the party...
Even then there's something to be said for a party of only fighters (ex soldiers) or an all-cleric party (rampaging zealots).

Goodman really is trying to sand all the edges off their product. It won't satisfy the nuts and it will make the product more bland, so good luck to them!
The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out
The ones that crawl in are lean and thin
The ones that crawl out are fat and stout
Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
Your brains come tumbling down your snout
Be merry my friends
Be merry

Jam The MF

#67
December 06, 2023, 11:20:03 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on December 06, 2023, 06:03:36 PM
Quote from: Brad on December 06, 2023, 04:46:24 AM
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on December 06, 2023, 04:01:56 AM


"most diverse"

For some reason, I don't think they're referring to having a cleric and thief in the party...
Even then there's something to be said for a party of only fighters (ex soldiers) or an all-cleric party (rampaging zealots).

Goodman really is trying to sand all the edges off their product. It won't satisfy the nuts and it will make the product more bland, so good luck to them!

The difference between the two printings cited, is quite distinct.  Goodness.  What a bending of the knee, that is.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

Exploderwizard

#68
December 07, 2023, 07:46:04 AM
It is sad really. How many companies are going to take a big fat dump on their loyal fans in order to try and and appease a very small group of whiny bitches who don't even buy their product? The lack of business sense here is staggering.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

zircher

#69
December 07, 2023, 10:38:49 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on December 06, 2023, 06:03:36 PM
Even then there's something to be said for a party of only fighters (ex soldiers) or an all-cleric party (rampaging zealots).
Just to comment on that tangent, one of the best games I ever played was when the group spontaneously decided to all play dwarves.  Great series of games and we got to do a deep dive on Dwarven lore and culture.
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mcbobbo

#70
December 07, 2023, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: zircher on December 07, 2023, 10:38:49 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on December 06, 2023, 06:03:36 PM
Even then there's something to be said for a party of only fighters (ex soldiers) or an all-cleric party (rampaging zealots).
Just to comment on that tangent, one of the best games I ever played was when the group spontaneously decided to all play dwarves.  Great series of games and we got to do a deep dive on Dwarven lore and culture.

I've always wanted to run a game for a party of all Orc Bards.  We'd call it the Orchestra...
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

rytrasmi

#71
December 07, 2023, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: mcbobbo on December 07, 2023, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: zircher on December 07, 2023, 10:38:49 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on December 06, 2023, 06:03:36 PM
Even then there's something to be said for a party of only fighters (ex soldiers) or an all-cleric party (rampaging zealots).
Just to comment on that tangent, one of the best games I ever played was when the group spontaneously decided to all play dwarves.  Great series of games and we got to do a deep dive on Dwarven lore and culture.

I've always wanted to run a game for a party of all Orc Bards.  We'd call it the Orchestra...
LOL. What genre of music? Mariachi, bluegrass, neo-pagan?
The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out
The ones that crawl in are lean and thin
The ones that crawl out are fat and stout
Your eyes fall in and your teeth fall out
Your brains come tumbling down your snout
Be merry my friends
Be merry

honeydipperdavid

#72
December 07, 2023, 12:25:24 PM Last Edit: December 07, 2023, 12:35:08 PM by honeydipperdavid
Quote from: rytrasmi on December 07, 2023, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: mcbobbo on December 07, 2023, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: zircher on December 07, 2023, 10:38:49 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on December 06, 2023, 06:03:36 PM
Even then there's something to be said for a party of only fighters (ex soldiers) or an all-cleric party (rampaging zealots).
Just to comment on that tangent, one of the best games I ever played was when the group spontaneously decided to all play dwarves.  Great series of games and we got to do a deep dive on Dwarven lore and culture.

I've always wanted to run a game for a party of all Orc Bards.  We'd call it the Orchestra...
LOL. What genre of music? Mariachi, bluegrass, neo-pagan?

My two cents after watching this fucking travesty, that shit will not be done at my table anymore.  Bardic kobolds still ok, but that Star Trek joke ruined anything orc and bards again.

It did give Strange New Worlds a high viewership for the cringe, not the love of the show.  After the second season reverted back to Kurtzmen trek, it ain't looking good for them being renewed.  At least the first season was in the 5-6 out of 10 range of Star Trek.


mcbobbo

#73
December 07, 2023, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: rytrasmi on December 07, 2023, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: mcbobbo on December 07, 2023, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: zircher on December 07, 2023, 10:38:49 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on December 06, 2023, 06:03:36 PM
Even then there's something to be said for a party of only fighters (ex soldiers) or an all-cleric party (rampaging zealots).
Just to comment on that tangent, one of the best games I ever played was when the group spontaneously decided to all play dwarves.  Great series of games and we got to do a deep dive on Dwarven lore and culture.

I've always wanted to run a game for a party of all Orc Bards.  We'd call it the Orchestra...
LOL. What genre of music? Mariachi, bluegrass, neo-pagan?

In my mind it would have to be somewhere between Scottish war songs and Indian death metal.  Since these are orcs I imagine every drumstick is also simply a club that could be used for due building attacks and the pipes would absolutely always breathe fire.
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Angus MacDeth

#74
December 07, 2023, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: mcbobbo on December 07, 2023, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: zircher on December 07, 2023, 10:38:49 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on December 06, 2023, 06:03:36 PM
Even then there's something to be said for a party of only fighters (ex soldiers) or an all-cleric party (rampaging zealots).
Just to comment on that tangent, one of the best games I ever played was when the group spontaneously decided to all play dwarves.  Great series of games and we got to do a deep dive on Dwarven lore and culture.

I've always wanted to run a game for a party of all Orc Bards.  We'd call it the Orchestra...

Of course, their nighttime fighting tactics would be collectively referred to as Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark.

Sorry, but it was right there... Couldn't help myself.

To keep this somewhat on topic, out of curiosity, did they also purge Gary's name from the Appendix N section of the book? Is DCC no longer dedicated to Jim Roslof? How deep down the memory hole have they thrown those names?
"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." - Mark Twain
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