Quote from: BadApple on December 11, 2023, 05:39:16 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 11, 2023, 03:17:34 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 11, 2023, 02:41:37 PM
"I have a bunch of hang-ups and personal baggage about the word Race, ergo all of my personal connotations are objectively part of the word and concept, so you must stop using the word."

I'm really shocked at how many of you want to cling to this idea.

I'm not shocked at how you'd attempt to 'other' me rather than engage with the thought.  Some things never change.

If you've noticed, I've not engaged you on this issue.  However, I understand everyone else's difficulty in how you are presenting an unconventional line of thought.  Even I have to slow down and carefully think about what you are trying to say.  I'm not trying to throw shade, I just want to suggest that you consider that you're being casual with shaking up a foundational understanding of things and it comes across kind of difficult for many.  Maybe think about selling the idea rather than assume everyone should already be onboard with it?

I do think your heart is in the right place and there is some merit to your position.  Peace?

I'd suggest you all drop this before you get a thread ban.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on December 11, 2023, 06:36:53 PMI'd suggest you all drop this before you get a thread ban.

Back on topic, if a Rap label put out advertising and had all black guys, no-one would flinch, so why are a group of white guys a 'mistake' and dangerous to a brand?

"Oh but RPG's have women and minorities!" And Rap has white an Asian dudes and women, and yet no-one would bat an eye over a panel of just black guys.

The usual suspects sticking their heads in the sand, and declaring they can't see double standards.

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 11, 2023, 06:50:36 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on December 11, 2023, 06:36:53 PMI'd suggest you all drop this before you get a thread ban.

Back on topic, if a Rap label put out advertising and had all black guys, no-one would flinch, so why are a group of white guys a 'mistake' and dangerous to a brand?

"Oh but RPG's have women and minorities!" And Rap has white an Asian dudes and women, and yet no-one would bat an eye over a panel of just black guys.

The usual suspects sticking their heads in the sand, and declaring they can't see double standards.

Because white leftists are the only racial group in the US that has negative in group preference, mean white leftards they hate white people, I mean really hate white people.  The old stereotype about the self hating jew, its wrong, its the self hating white leftard.  When you see a white liberal and you are white, don't relax, they hate you more times than not because you are white. 
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/americas-white-saviors

Read the study.  Now look at those white liberal women in HR and you got an idea why they made it a point not to hire whites.  Take a look at this bloomberg study for S&P 100 firms hiring 6% white workers since the 2020 race riots, or IOW's they hired 1/10th white present in the population while they say they are going for equity.  When you explode those bubbles, you don't see young whites being hired, its Gen X and Boomers and some millenial whites getting hired.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/

Going through all this, you see the racial hatred being directed towards whites, this is in hiring and just being impolite to you by other leftard whites.  It doesn't take much to see why they ree like insane dribbling aholes when they see an all white merit based ad for RPG's.  Best thing is to ignore the hordes, put out as good as product as possible and gatekeep.  You see a leftard, ask them what church do they go too, ask them how much they love the US and what are they doing to celebrate the 4th of July, tell them we are doing a neighborhood shooting range you want to chip in, do the same thing in forums.  Make them feel unwelcomed.  If rpgnet gatekeeped you wouldn't see a progressive pride flag and them going so far into leftist that they crawled into Stalin corpses butthole.

Quote from: Grognard GM on December 11, 2023, 03:26:42 PM
Race is shorthand for 'belonging to a group that share genes based on past relative geographic isolation.' It's perfectly understood, and functional.

People from different gene groups have very real biological differences beyond skin color. You simply have to research things like bone marrow transplants, or diabetes/sickle cell, to understand this.

Thinking people are from monoliths, or taking stereotypes as solid facts, are associated with the word, but not an inherent part of its meaning.

Race as terminology is tied to historical usage - like "white" being a race along with "black" or "African" as a race. Modern geneticists tend to speak about haplogroups - which are exactly groups of genetic similarity. But no one speaks of the A2-M6 race or even the Khoi-San race.

The problem is that there are few cases "relative geographic isolation". Africa was not isolated from Europe or the Middle East - there was lots of migration and intermarriage between them. It's mostly just the Americas and Australia that were geographically isolated.

In general, the dividing lines of traditional race don't correspond well to modern determined haplogroups. For example, tradition says everyone from Africa the same race, which is totally against genetics. As the birthplace of humanity, Africa has the greatest genetic diversity. There are major differences among  Also traditionally, mixed-race people in the U.S. are lumped together with Africans - i.e. Barack Obama is considered black and not white. That makes no sense genetically.

Quote from: mcbobbo on December 11, 2023, 04:33:57 PM
In a topic with the word "white' in its title, you don't get to make that claim with any integrity.  "White" is very, very clearly not a biological term.  It's a purely social one.

Again, I put the term White in the title intentionally because wokie keyboard activists were specifically calling out Goodman Game's panel for being all White. The issue is the wokie definition of "Whiteness" is politically laden and intentionally meant to make the topic confusing. Thus this sidetrack.

Back on topic, I assume there's still an old white guy running the company?

With woke corpos, there's always a Baltar surrounded by Cylons.

The original picture showed a tremendous amount of diversity of ethnic origins including German, English, Russian, Austrian, Irish and French.