http://community.gencon.com/forums/thread/89722.aspx (http://community.gencon.com/forums/thread/89722.aspx)
ok seriously...WHAT? Not that i'm going to GenCon, but still...HUH?
Okay, that's just fucked up. Right now, neither Gen Con nor Chaosium is looking very good for this.
Strange. I'm sure we'll find out sooner or later, but I wonder if some money is owed? Or perhaps someone's angling for a deal?
Hmm. Don't play CoC, really, but I like to see as many tabletop games as possible at GC.
Okay, that's just retarded.
Huh.
I wonder what this means.
It's not really Call of cthulhu that's the issue, from what it says. It's pretty clear it says that Chaosium has to work out something with GenCon LLC.
What the fucking hell kind of asinine shit is this?
Since when can they dictate how their game gets used by the consumer?
I seem to recall this sort of attitude not going over well when WW tried to charge for playing MET . . .
This is just bullshit. When you buy a game prodct you own it and can use it, and that measn running it at a convention.
Chaosium has zero fucking right to any say in it period. Any lawyer filing a lawsuit on a motion like this should have a shaker full of salt poured on him and be left to boil up and die in agony.
What next? I can't drive a japansese made car to a "remember pearl harbor" rally because the japanese company forbids it?
This is just another example of how right shakespeare was when he said "kill all the lawyers".....
I suppose now SJG will think it can bar me from running furps games featuring unflattering portrayals of some of the jerks working at it next, like I did last year and plan to do this year.
Pundy should do a screed about this, if he could ever get off his tired old tirades against "lawncrappers", "swine" and anyone who doesn't think that d20 is the only fucking system to use in rpg's....
Not that I'd read it, but he should still do a screed about lawyers and legalistic bullshit harming gaming.
Quote from: Dominus NoxThis is just bullshit. When you buy a game prodct you own it and can use it, and that measn running it at a convention.
Chaosium has zero fucking right to any say in it period. Any lawyer filing a lawsuit on a motion like this should have a shaker full of salt poured on him and be left to boil up and die in agony.
Yes, but they're very carefully _not_ saying that it's Chaosium's fault or Gen Con's fault - but at the moment the people running GenCon are not accepting Chaosium games. You can certainly sit down at a table and run the game anywhere you want, but if the person or people in charge of the place where you're playing forbids it, there's not much you can do about it.
This is the dumbest bullshit I've ever seen in my life.
Whichever side (Gencon or Chaosium) is responsible for this deserves a kick in the nuts with a steel-toed boot. What a bunch of assholes.
This is, again, evidence that Chaosium is run by the largest gang of retards in the RPG world... they are the keystone cops of roleplaying.
There are few Gaming companies which make you, in contrast, look at Kevin Siembieda and say "wow, that guy has really got his shit together, and is not an overly-litigious looney".
RPGPundit
Quote from: jgantsThis is the dumbest bullshit I've ever seen in my life.
Whichever side (Gencon or Chaosium) is responsible for this deserves a kick in the nuts with a steel-toed boot. What a bunch of assholes.
Can we get some "AMENS!" for this?
Quote from: RPGPunditThis is, again, evidence that Chaosium is run by the largest gang of retards in the RPG world... they are the keystone cops of roleplaying.
There are few Gaming companies which make you, in contrast, look at Kevin Siembieda and say "wow, that guy has really got his shit together, and is not an overly-litigious looney".
RPGPundit
ACK! Arrgggg...quick, gotta...get the....nitro tablets.....(GULP GULP!)
Whew! Another major coronary narrowly averted....
As much as it sickens me to, I have to agree with pundit here again. (Hot bath time to wash away the unclean feeling later.)
Chaosium USED to have a LINE of great games, like Ringworld, Elfquest, CoC, Hawkmoon, stormbringer, etc. They USED to make a LOT of great game stuff for various genres, but for some reason that I guess only chaosium and maybe George W. Bush could understand, they've decided to piss it all away and just become the call of cthulhu game company.
That's not only stupid, it's tragic because they were a top quality outfit back in the 80's and could still be doing a great set of lines for various games. My god, what I wouldn't have given to see THEM doing some games based on great booklines, like Hammer's Slammers, Honor Hannrington, etc.
But they obviously wanna be the CoC game company, nothing more. Maybe Fungi from Yuggoth came in the night and took their brains away in cans, at least then their behavior would be understandable.
You know how Hasbro/WotC sold the rights to produce D&D computer games and then realised later that this impacted on their rights to produce a character design program (or even to allow one to be produced) and (allegedly) there had to be some serious limits to what they could eventually allow
I'm wondering if it could be a licensing problem. But if Cuthulucon is still on and Shoggoth.net are still going to be at Origins then I can't imagine what it can be
No, its not a licensing problem; Chaosium basically took care of those quite a few years ago by proving that no one actually had the rights to the majority of the Cthulhu Mythos.
RPGPundit
Hmm. I thought for sure by now we'd have heard a leak or something on this, however wildly inaccurate it turned out to be later...
My mostly uninformed guess is that Chaosium owes GenCon money, and is banned for that reason. I'd guess that the guy who started the thread was told to do damage control, and is being vague for that reason.
The reason I think it's financial, is because when I used to do work in the d20 market some industry guys told me that Chaosium was absolutely deperate for money.They were somewhat quietly selling off non-core assets. I'm guessing that they've gotten back into dire straits.
Quote from: Monster ManuelMy mostly uninformed guess is that Chaosium owes GenCon money, and is banned for that reason. I'd guess that the guy who started the thread was told to do damage control, and is being vague for that reason.
The reason I think it's financial, is because when I used to do work in the d20 market some industry guys told me that Chaosium was absolutely deperate for money.They were somewhat quietly selling off non-core assets. I'm guessing that they've gotten back into dire straits.
I can see that. My guess is you're right. I think Chaosium is quietly suffering something Palladium just started yelling from the rooftops: a cashflow problem. Those seem to be happening frequently as the market continues to shake out.
Chaosium has been on the verge of collapse for at least the last 10 years. They have also had tons of possible strategies and golden opportunities to turn that around, but failed because of their own ineptitude.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPunditChaosium has been on the verge of collapse for at least the last 10 years. They have also had tons of possible strategies and golden opportunities to turn that around, but failed because of their own ineptitude.
RPGPundit
Nice try, pundit, but trying to shock me into a heart attack by posting something so atypically correct and rational won't work. I had a defibrillator built into my computer seat along with an EKG monitor.
Whenever you post something that isn't "Rant this, rave that, insult so and so, call everyone who disagrees with me "Swine, reatrds and motherfuckers" and my heart goes into arythmia from the shock the defib kicks on and I'm zapped back to a stable caridac rhythm.