After frozen I don't want modern Disney touching any myths or legends.

Im pretty sure Frozen isnt based on any myths or legends. Ive heard some claim its a retelling of the Snow Queen. But Frozen resembles that none at all other than person with ice powers. They could have called it Jane Frost and been good to go.

Quote from: Omega on May 29, 2021, 12:30:00 PM
Im pretty sure Frozen isnt based on any myths or legends. Ive heard some claim its a retelling of the Snow Queen. But Frozen resembles that none at all other than person with ice powers. They could have called it Jane Frost and been good to go.

Frozen is Disney rewriting the classic myths of Kislev and its Ice Queen.

Quote from: Omega on May 29, 2021, 12:30:00 PM
Ive heard some claim its a retelling of the Snow Queen. But Frozen resembles that none at all other than person with ice powers.

Exactly. Disney threw out an already fantastic (girl power) story and just used it to tell trite jokes.

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 29, 2021, 12:36:06 PM

Quote from: Omega on May 29, 2021, 12:30:00 PM
Im pretty sure Frozen isnt based on any myths or legends. Ive heard some claim its a retelling of the Snow Queen. But Frozen resembles that none at all other than person with ice powers. They could have called it Jane Frost and been good to go.

Frozen is Disney rewriting the classic myths of Kislev and its Ice Queen.

Put the character names in a good order and say them real fast all at once, and you'll hear something like "hanschristenandersson"

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 29, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
Frozen is Disney rewriting the classic myths of Kislev and its Ice Queen.

And as others noted, it bears little resemblance to the original. But likewise, while The Sword in the Stone has some resemblance to the E.B. White novel, it has extremely little in common with the original King Arthur legends. The Robin Hood feature with Sir Hiss and Lady Cluck has little to do with the original stories. The Little Mermaid has pretty massive differences from the original story as well, etc.

Basically, if as a parent one wants one's child to learn about centuries-old European myth, Disney films are only a minor source at best. There's only a handful of films that do so, and vary from major to unrecognizable in their differences. In some sense, _Into the Woods_ and _Shrek_ are as good an introduction to the stories.

Quote from: Omega on May 29, 2021, 11:57:30 AM
Theres more than that if you include live action and any shorts.
Scarecrow of Romny Marsh, Paul Bunyan, Pecos Bill, and a few others have likely forgotten.

More apt is Disney himself loved to adapt stuff to screen. BUT. He also loved to change things small or very large. His range of interests in legends and literature was broad indeed. If you glance at his film history you see quite a few are adaptions of some book or legend. Mostly books current or not so current at the time.

Right. But that's what I'm saying. Only a small fraction of material was adapted from centuries-old stories. It was never a central point for Disney - just one small slice.

Quote from: jhkim on May 29, 2021, 09:04:30 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 29, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
Frozen is Disney rewriting the classic myths of Kislev and its Ice Queen.

And as others noted, it bears little resemblance to the original. But likewise, while The Sword in the Stone has some resemblance to the E.B. White novel, it has extremely little in common with the original King Arthur legends. The Robin Hood feature with Sir Hiss and Lady Cluck has little to do with the original stories. The Little Mermaid has pretty massive differences from the original story as well, etc.

Basically, if as a parent one wants one's child to learn about centuries-old European myth, Disney films are only a minor source at best. There's only a handful of films that do so, and vary from major to unrecognizable in their differences. In some sense, _Into the Woods_ and _Shrek_ are as good an introduction to the stories.

Quote from: Omega on May 29, 2021, 11:57:30 AM
Theres more than that if you include live action and any shorts.
Scarecrow of Romny Marsh, Paul Bunyan, Pecos Bill, and a few others have likely forgotten.

More apt is Disney himself loved to adapt stuff to screen. BUT. He also loved to change things small or very large. His range of interests in legends and literature was broad indeed. If you glance at his film history you see quite a few are adaptions of some book or legend. Mostly books current or not so current at the time.

Right. But that's what I'm saying. Only a small fraction of material was adapted from centuries-old stories. It was never a central point for Disney - just one small slice.

I would explain the difference between "plot" and "theme" to you, but why bother?

Quote from: jhkim on May 29, 2021, 09:04:30 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on May 29, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
Frozen is Disney rewriting the classic myths of Kislev and its Ice Queen.

And as others noted, it bears little resemblance to the original.

Sorry, I was using Shasarak's sarcastic black font. Kislev and its Ice Queen is from WFRP.