Quote from: Snowman0147;1098829Oh I had plenty of personal experiences in which people got hostile with me because I didn't want to fit in the themes of the game.  Which if you look at most of the themes in White Wolf books it is usual intended to be a misery tour to make your character's feel like worthless shits.  This is why they have the toxic die hard fan base, the shitty STs that want to see people suffer, and game devs who think they are truly brilliant artist who are far removed from the unwashed masses that play D&D.  When a game express themes all too much it is a red flag of bad things to come.

Finally!

It's good to see someone who sees eye to eye on me with World of Darkness/Chronicles of Darkness.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1098834Finally!

It's good to see someone who sees eye to eye on me with World of Darkness/Chronicles of Darkness.

I been saying this for years.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1098829Oh I had plenty of personal experiences in which people got hostile with me because I didn't want to fit in the themes of the game.  Which if you look at most of the themes in White Wolf books it is usual intended to be a misery tour to make your character's feel like worthless shits.  This is why they have the toxic die hard fan base, the shitty STs that want to see people suffer, and game devs who think they are truly brilliant artist who are far removed from the unwashed masses that play D&D.  When a game express themes all too much it is a red flag of bad things to come.

The themes aren't the problem. Themes are a great way to tie together what would otherwise be a bunch of random vignettes. The problem is the pretension: the fandom takes itself way too seriously.

An emo goth game works best as a parody of soap operas. So I give PCs stunt bonuses and XP for making characters act as melodramatically as possible. The point is to have fun, so have fun in a way that makes the rules useful. Otherwise you might as well play a superhero game.

If I wanted to make a retroclone throwback to Nightlife, The Everlasting, WitchCraft, World of Darkness, etc as a supplement for the Opening the Dark SRD, then do you think anybody would go for it?

What sort of lore and gameplay would you guys like to see in such a game and what advice would you give to someone wanting to write that game?

Hah, I haven't visited these forums in a hot minute and whaddya' know, whole buncha' talk about NWOD. Also a few peeps trying to say they "love" NWOD who weren't doing that at all only so long ago... but hey, people can change.

Might add anyone getting into NWOD should start withg Hunter The Vigil. Best entry point and best game of all time in the series. It's consistently the most popular and well-regarded game. And you don't even a play a monster!

Also, saw some mention of Changeling and stuff to do with freeholds and courts and independents while skimming pages. Who the hell is playing an "independent"? That's a death sentence out-the-gate. Also, sounds like a Tier One game writ large: Tier Two and Tier Three are very different games

I strongly discourage anyone playing/hosting Beast. The point of those games is playing rapists, torturers, general maniacs and sadists who's victims "deserve" their treatment -- headed-up by an "alleged" child molester as the lead designer and considering the ultra-creepy way in which its written, yeah no.

Storytelling System(NWOD 1e) is the best system that White Wolf came out with before their demise bar none. Storyteller System (OWOD incl. V20) can eat shit. Bloodlines in Requiem saved Vampire from the cesspool of "a Clan for everything": /thread.

What else is there in here that I may dispense hard-won wisdom on? :cool: