Quote from: jhkim;1075723I agree that Mentzer didn't do drunk leering, but what he did do was blatantly threaten to destroy people's careers in gaming just for disagreeing with him (both Price and EOTB).

For the record I was never suggesting that Mentzer was guilty of that, just pushing back on the nonsense that people should only be barred from events when their misbehaviour reaches the level of actual criminality.

Mentzer may be D&D's own hornier version of Grandpa Simpson, but unless I've missed something there's nothing he did that comes even close to making him somehow dangerous. The posts I've seen of his PM to Price (the one where he says "if I was 30 years younger and single, etc") are just pathetic old-man flirting, and ridiculously embarrassing to him, and later posts where he shows levels of ridiculous entitlement (even for someone who could legitimately claim some entitlement as one of the Fathers of the Hobby) are likewise embarrassing to be sure.

But I would think that the Zak S scandal would actually serve to show up just how utterly SHALLOW the claims of victimhood of people like Price really are. Grandpa Simpson flirted at her in a PM, OMIGOD that's just as bad as 10 years of systematic abuse that Mandy suffered at Zak's hands!! We have to Unperson Mentzer!!

This is insane.

Now, from what I understand (and correct me if I'm wrong), Garycon isn't really like some other situations (WoTC, for example, being a corporation owned by a massive megacorporation). It's owned and run by the Gygax family, right?

So maybe something could be done about this in terms of people who have personal connections to Luke Gygax having a talk with him and pointing out how much of an exaggeration this decision is, and how he let himself be hornswaggled by the SJWs, many of whom are people who DESPISE his father, despise his father's game, and want nothing less than for Garycon not to exist, at the expense of the actual clients of Garycon, many of whom feel alienated by this choice which seems to be made purely to collaborate with a gang of Stalinists.

Unfortunately now something as simple as that IS enough to get someone banned or worse.

Quote from: Grognard101;1075612Luke Gygax just made the announcement -

Mentzer is an idiot. But the day will come when someone accuses Luke Gygax. This is the nature of such a movement: everyone is guilty in the end.

I guess he could start MentzerCon?

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1075783Mentzer is an idiot. But the day will come when someone accuses Luke Gygax. This is the nature of such a movement: everyone is guilty in the end.

"They got to you, too."
"They got to me a long time ago, Winston."

Quote from: RPGPundit;1075773Mentzer may be D&D's own hornier version of Grandpa Simpson, but unless I've missed something there's nothing he did that comes even close to making him somehow dangerous. The posts I've seen of his PM to Price (the one where he says "if I was 30 years younger and single, etc") are just pathetic old-man flirting, and ridiculously embarrassing to him, and later posts where he shows levels of ridiculous entitlement (even for someone who could legitimately claim some entitlement as one of the Fathers of the Hobby) are likewise embarrassing to be sure.

What's the "crime" though is him threatening to ruin people/ban them from the industry.  While obviously it was complete bluster, since Mentzer hasn't been relevant to gaming in 30 years and doubtful he was ever in a position of much power, you really shouldn't go around and threaten people like that.

Quote from: JeremyR;1075795What's the "crime" though is him threatening to ruin people/ban them from the industry.  While obviously it was complete bluster, since Mentzer hasn't been relevant to gaming in 30 years and doubtful he was ever in a position of much power, you really shouldn't go around and threaten people like that.

Appropriate sanctions for his 'crimes' of being a massive jerk in PMs:

1. Steve ban him from Dragonsfoot. As happened.
2. Price block him from PMing her. No idea.

Quote from: S'mon;1075796Appropriate sanctions for his 'crimes' of being a massive jerk in PMs:

1. Steve ban him from Dragonsfoot. As happened.
2. Price block him from PMing her. No idea.

Greetings!

Precisely, S'mon. In regards to Mentzer, why must there be *further* sanctions or "punishment"--beyond this? He acted jerkishly at Dragonsfoot, and with Price. Great. So, they ban or block him. Mentzer must be censured throughout the land, at other websites, publishers, and game conventions...why?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1075798Greetings!

Precisely, S'mon. In regards to Mentzer, why must there be *further* sanctions or "punishment"--beyond this? He acted jerkishly at Dragonsfoot, and with Price. Great. So, they ban or block him. Mentzer must be censured throughout the land, at other websites, publishers, and game conventions...why?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Because for the SJW crowd, it's never enough.

I just don't even understand why these conventions continue to have any guests of honor.  Nobody is going to cons because of those guests, and they only seem to cause trouble these days. If the Academy Awards can handle a show with no host, a game convention can handle a convention with no special guest.

Quote from: SHARK;1075798Greetings!

Precisely, S'mon. In regards to Mentzer, why must there be *further* sanctions or "punishment"--beyond this? He acted jerkishly at Dragonsfoot, and with Price. Great. So, they ban or block him. Mentzer must be censured throughout the land, at other websites, publishers, and game conventions...why?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Because being part of a (internet) lynch mob feels good and it feels righteous.

Quote from: S'mon;1075796Steve ban him from Dragonsfoot.

Yeah, they're kind of a sensitive bunch, almost as bad as those guys on Citizens of the Imperium. What's wrong with just letting everyone say, "Frankie old chum, you're being a cocksmock. Now shut the fuck up and roll the dice."

Frank never got over the fact that beyond his involvement with Gary, nobody really cares about his opinions on RPGs.

Quote from: Mistwell;1075800I just don't even understand why these conventions continue to have any guests of honor.  Nobody is going to cons because of those guests, and they only seem to cause trouble these days. If the Academy Awards can handle a show with no host, a game convention can handle a convention with no special guest.

Gaming should not be compared to Hollywood because Hollywood has nothing to do with gaming, except they have always tried to kill it. Feel free to go to any convention without any special guests.