Quote from: mightybrain;1090631This was posted on Frank's Facebook page. Apparently he has made a complaint to his bureau of consumer protection and Luke has responded. It seems this feud goes way deeper than has been publicly posted until now.

LOfuckinL

Seriously, is Mentzer just another old coot who thinks he's a real celebrity instead of a well-known guy within an extremely small community? At least Kuntz had the decency to stop going to conventions once it became apparent his time was done; old Frank doesn't seem to realize that ship has sailed. Sad as hell, I really enjoyed talking to the guy.

I can see how Frank felt betrayed when someone used Jessica Price as their star witness against him.  If you stab someone in the back then you dont get to act like the victim when they get angry at you.

What a clusterfuck.

I guess it's not the 1970s any more and those Austin Powers lines are inadvisable.

Quote from: Shasarak;1090649I can see how Frank felt betrayed when someone used Jessica Price as their star witness against him.

Er, I think it was actually Luke's sister that probably was the straw that broke the camel's back

Quote from: JeremyR;1090669Er, I think it was actually Luke's sister that probably was the straw that broke the camel's back

Certainly sounds that way!

Quote from: mightybrain;1090631This was posted on Frank's Facebook page. Apparently he has made a complaint to his bureau of consumer protection and Luke has responded...

Told ya so. The guests that are removed are removed for cause, and their actions either damage the hobby, or the convention itself. I didn't see Luke solely caving in to SJW pressure when making a decision regarding guests of honor for GaryCon, and stand by my earlier comments regarding this.

It is my opinion that people should just be pleasant to each other, get along, and share their appreciation of RPGs, and other tabletop games. We can all really do without all the rest of the drama.

Except where was Luke's sob story about his sister previously?

Nothing more than the sister story was needed in the first place. Few gamers would defend Mentzer for creeping on a Gygaxian.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1091450Except where was Luke's sob story about his sister previously?

Nothing more than the sister story was needed in the first place. Few gamers would defend Mentzer for creeping on a Gygaxian.

Do you mean this Gygaxian?

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Quote from: Spinachcat;1091450Except where was Luke's sob story about his sister previously?

It shouldn't have been necessary.  He didn't owe us an explanation.

Quote from: Shasarak;1091454Do you mean this Gygaxian?

Are you saying that creeping on her is okay?  Because I don't think so.  Not if she looked like that today, and not if she looked like that 42 years ago.

...And to Frank's defense I go, AGAIN. - Nah, not really. Luke isn't quite behaving like the secretary of gentlemanly affairs, but Frank needs to stop using Facebook to publish his own statements. If this is serious, go get an attorney. If it's not, then stop with the mudslinging.

Now, as to the letter to the... Chamber of Commerce? - Frank certainly doesn't look good, here: Him writing rambling emails and making statements that might suggest that he is suffering from some sort of bipolar disorder, not news per themselves, at this point.

But Luke and GaryCon, oh, what a PR disaster: First, because both the DF as well as the Jessica Price situation are quite debatable; second, because the sister-ex-machina story, however true, reads like an attempt at a backdoor justification. Even if it's understandable how he might not have wanted to involve her back when the first "Harbinger Unheeded" statement dropped, and how he possibly might have wanted not to hurt Frank's already damaged situation - this had to be in the first statement. Because the way it's looking now, he comes off as somebody who is, quite simply, not in control.

Nothing good will come from this, at this point. What a sad statement about the hobby, in itself.

Quote from: Rafael;1091546Because the way it's looking now, he comes off as somebody who is, quite simply, not in control.

That won't matter one iota to the woke.

The woman in those pictures deserves to receive the very same attention that was directly sought by that advertising.

To complain about such a thing; would be like fishing, and complaining about actually catching fish.

Quote from: Razor 007;1091689The woman in those pictures deserves to receive the very same attention that was directly sought by that advertising.

That attention would be people buying RPG manuals, right?

Quote from: Razor 007;1091689The woman in those pictures deserves to receive the very same attention that was directly sought by that advertising.

To complain about such a thing; would be like fishing, and complaining about actually catching fish.

Amazing how many alt light, edge lord nationalists are in our hobby. Paul Rein Hagen is a NAZI and the dunces turn out in full force to defend him. To the bozo writing about someone being an actual communist my bet it, they can't even define what a communist is, or Communism. Frank got booted because of Frank. Stop making excuses for a douche. Unless you too are a douche, then march on.