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Gaming and GM transperany

Started by Nexus, November 07, 2013, 05:54:09 PM

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#75
November 18, 2013, 12:35:27 AM
I think, immersion-wise, there's no reason why any player needs to worry about what numbers I'm rolling or keeping track of my mechanics.
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#76
November 18, 2013, 12:49:10 AM
I think many high transparency advocate consider it a hedge against gming cheating and illusionism.
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Omega

#77
November 18, 2013, 12:55:32 AM
Every time someone mentions transparency I think...

Transparent GM... :rolleyes:

Bill

#78
November 18, 2013, 09:06:57 AM
Quote from: Nexus;709344I think many high transparency advocate consider it a hedge against gming cheating and illusionism.

I suppose rolling in the open might help a player with trust issues more comfortable that the gm is not fudging.

So to keep that rat bastard dm from using illusionism I guess you deamand to examine his hex map and notes?

Omega

#79
November 18, 2013, 10:33:02 AM
Quote from: Bill;709399I suppose rolling in the open might help a player with trust issues more comfortable that the gm is not fudging.

So to keep that rat bastard dm from using illusionism I guess you deamand to examine his hex map and notes?

And read the modules too. Players better keep track of monster HP while they are at it...

etc ad nausium.

Nexus

#80
November 18, 2013, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: Bill;709399I suppose rolling in the open might help a player with trust issues more comfortable that the gm is not fudging.

So to keep that rat bastard dm from using illusionism I guess you demand to examine his hex map and notes?

Evidently yes. In some groups its not even a matter of demand, its SOP that the notes, sheets and other gm items are right open. One guy said he'd never even heard a GM's screen before and thought they were some kind of joke or hyperbole until very recently.
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

Omega

#81
November 18, 2013, 01:33:26 PM
Quote from: Nexus;709471Evidently yes. In some groups its not even a matter of demand, its SOP that the notes, sheets and other gm items are right open. One guy said he'd never even heard a GM's screen before and thought they were some kind of joke or hyperbole until very recently.

Saw that post too.

At that point what is the point in even having the DM? Wasnt there one where someone was going on about how they distrusted GMs so much they didnt even allow them to roll for monsters?

Phillip

#82
November 18, 2013, 01:39:46 PM
It depends on what's being talked about, and when and how.
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Omega

#83
November 18, 2013, 02:02:43 PM
Quote from: Phillip;709493It depends on what's being talked about, and when and how.

DMs not being trusted, during a session, not being allowed to roll.

As for the why? If I recall correctly it was essentially self agrandizement or some desire to turn the sessions into storytelling.

Basically if some concept can be taken to extreme, then sure enough someone is going to. Somewhat the opposite reaction to what was mentioned in a separate thread here about a player so paranoid of GMs being arbitrary that they stopped playing RPGs at all. Instead the example above went the other route, take all power away from the GM.

Probably other approaches I just have not heard of yet.

Wouldnt surprise me if there were players who demand veto power over a DMs session notes or maps.

Exploderwizard

#84
November 18, 2013, 02:15:54 PM
Quote from: Omega;709503Wouldnt surprise me if there were players who demand veto power over a DMs session notes or maps.


:rotfl:

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#85
November 18, 2013, 02:42:14 PM
I can't see a problem with the players deciding what challenges they face, and what rewards they get....

Phillip

#86
November 18, 2013, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: Omega;709503Wouldnt surprise me if there were players who demand veto power over a DMs session notes or maps.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;709511rotfl

Nope. That island can't be there. I say the island is 30 more miles to the SW. Do I have a second!
Might as well dispense with the RPG-style GM then, and have a merely adjudicating GM (or none at all) in a game of players exercising such powers in accordance with a set of rules.
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Nexus

#87
November 18, 2013, 03:01:31 PM Last Edit: November 18, 2013, 03:19:59 PM by Nexus
Quote from: Phillip;709525Might as well dispense with the RPG-style GM then, and have a merely adjudicating GM (or none at all) in a game of players exercising such powers in accordance with a set of rules.

Agreed. I don't think there's anything wrong with collective story telling games. I've played and enjoyed a couple*. But if that's what you want, call it that and play it. Don't try to dress it up as a standard RPG.

Edit* ICAC: Fiasco and Capes
Remember when Illinois Nazis where a joke in the Blue Brothers movie?

Democracy, meh? (538)

 "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn't even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."

S'mon

#88
November 18, 2013, 05:06:30 PM
Quote from: Nexus;709471Evidently yes. In some groups its not even a matter of demand, its SOP that the notes, sheets and other gm items are right open. One guy said he'd never even heard a GM's screen before and thought they were some kind of joke or hyperbole until very recently.

I don't use a screen, but I still expect the players to avoid reading through my notes!
But I have tons of public info on my campaign web sites. 9/10 players never read that stuff anyway.

Ravenswing

#89
November 18, 2013, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: Nexus;709344I think many high transparency advocate consider it a hedge against gming cheating and illusionism.
Unquestionably.

And the answer to that is still basic: if you're constitutionally paranoid about your gaming, go play console games, solo adventures or MMORPGs, or else be a GM yourself.

My own answer to those rare paranoids who show up at my table is "I'm not the guy who screwed you in the past, any more than the guy who cut you off in traffic yesterday is every driver on the road, or the bank teller who was an ass to you last week is every customer service person."

If they can't wrap their heads around that, they need to find another table at which to game.
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