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Games you'd like to play, but can't

Started by Balbinus, September 28, 2006, 06:21:40 AM

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Sosthenes

#30
September 28, 2006, 05:15:19 PM
Well, I wouldn't say that Preacher was all that interesting in its depiction of the truth behind the Judeo-Christian religion. Nor was it a grand treatise about the US of A.

Which is exactly the point, I never could see myself playing a game (see, back on topic) where I truly want to go too deeply into motivations behind religion. If I play something with a similar background, I want to be sure that the truth is _there_, not that the players discover them. I'm doing my soul-searching away from the gaming table and don't want to scare away my players with meta-physical nonsense.

See, there's the Richard Dawkins book, and there's the Monster Manual. Don't mix those two...
 

Mr. Analytical

#31
September 28, 2006, 05:24:58 PM
I don't mean that the players are supposed to discover the truth or soul search, I mean a game where the nuts and bolts of christianity are engaged with and, actually, god turns out to be a bit of a shit.

In Nomine Satanis/Magna Veritas actually does this surprisingly well as the forces of good and evil are not really any better than each other and Heaven is portrayed as this infinite office full of in-fighting bureaucrats.

It just bothers me that people take "blasphemous" approaches to religion and then absolutely refuse to stick the knife in, preferring instead to focus on some tangent.

mythusmage

#32
September 28, 2006, 05:47:47 PM
Tried reading Engel once, but the text font made my retinas scream with pain and threaten mass suicide.
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

Dominus Nox

#33
September 28, 2006, 08:00:49 PM
Transhuman space is a hard one to get people into, so'd spacemaster privateers.
RPGPundit is a fucking fascist asshole and a hypocritial megadouche.

Mr. Analytical

#34
September 28, 2006, 08:14:34 PM
Aaaah... spacemaster.

"Aaaaaeiiii!  pirates!"
"It's okay... they have grenades!"
*sounds of Pirates failing their throw rolls and having grenades explode at their feet*

mattormeg

#35
October 01, 2006, 12:06:17 PM
Quote from: BalbinusReally?  Perhaps I underestimated it, when I browsed it there seemed to be a lot of stuff trying a bit too hard to shock me.

Yep, I felt the same way. I love Garth Ennis and I loved this title, but I didn't feel like it had anything that profound to say about religion.

mattormeg

#36
October 01, 2006, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalPreacher's a bit juvenile but you have to look at the final volume to really get the point.  Actually, now that I think about Russell T. Davies' The Second Coming made the same point...

When it comes to commenting on Christianity there are four ways that an Atheist can go.

1) Rejection - the view that all of these beliefs are irrational and as such there's really no point in dwelling on any of them.

2) Academicisation - the view that christian myth should be treated much like any other kind of mythology.  You mine it for symbolism and for anthropological data but it's no more true than Norse myth.

3) Apologia - the view taken by Monty Python and Dogma; regardless of whether or not God exists, this is still good solid moral philosophy that has a value in our society.

4) Politicisation - the view that not only is religion worthless because god doesn't exist or isn't worth believing in but the actual substance of Christianity's moral teachings are so bankrupt and distorted that even if God did exist he would not be worthy of anything other than toppling as ruler of the Universe.


1 doesn't lead to art, 2 leads to anthropological works, 3 is the favoured path and 4 is surprisingly rare.

I think that Anton LaVey's Church of Satan held #4 as their central tenet.

Mr. Analytical

#37
October 02, 2006, 04:53:20 AM
Quote from: mattormegI think that Anton LaVey's Church of Satan held #4 as their central tenet.

  I think that's the general gist of his politics.  Personally I can't stomach the ritual magic side of Satanism.

Vellorian

#38
October 03, 2006, 01:20:55 PM
Quote from: mythusmageMythus: Because I'm having a hard time finding people to play with.

I would play with you, but you'd have to keep character generation short, I only have three weeks of vacation next year...  :D
Ian Vellore
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -- Patrick Henry

mattormeg

#39
October 03, 2006, 08:06:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalI think that's the general gist of his politics.  Personally I can't stomach the ritual magic side of Satanism.

PT Barnum in a big, black cape.

blakkie

#40
October 03, 2006, 09:15:38 PM
Quote from: ColonelHardissonHackMaster. I just could never convince my group to play it.
Likely because the game is, quite literally, a hyperbole joke about byzantine game rules?  And jokes are only funny when they are happening to other people. ;)

One of our players tried to convince us to play that once too, when it first came out.  I read select portions of it. It was funny to look at. Then I thought about actually using the rules for any extended period and cringed. Then went into a flashback and blacked out. When I came too I was lieing in the gutter with my underwear on my head, a fist full of dice with waxed filled numbers in hand, and "OH GOD, NOT MORE RANDOM ROLL TABLES!" scrawled on my chest in red enamal paint.
"Because honestly? I have no idea what you do. None." - Pierce Inverarity

mythusmage

#41
October 03, 2006, 11:24:06 PM
Quote from: VellorianI would play with you, but you'd have to keep character generation short, I only have three weeks of vacation next year...  :D

:)

In that case you can play an alfar; they're pretty short.:p
Any one who thinks he knows America has never been to America.

ColonelHardisson

#42
October 04, 2006, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: blakkieLikely because the game is, quite literally, a hyperbole joke about byzantine game rules?  And jokes are only funny when they are happening to other people. ;)

One of our players tried to convince us to play that once too, when it first came out.  I read select portions of it. It was funny to look at. Then I thought about actually using the rules for any extended period and cringed. Then went into a flashback and blacked out. When I came too I was lieing in the gutter with my underwear on my head, a fist full of dice with waxed filled numbers in hand, and "OH GOD, NOT MORE RANDOM ROLL TABLES!" scrawled on my chest in red enamal paint.

Anyway, the main reason they wouldn't play was that it wasn't d20. They didn't want to switch systems.
"Illegitimis non carborundum." - General Joseph "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell

4e definitely has an Old School feel. If you disagree, cool. I won\'t throw any hyperbole out to prove the point.

KaosDevice

#43
October 05, 2006, 05:38:39 AM
Hmmm..to somewhat wander back to the main question, I'd like to play In Nomine but I can't get any of my players into it, same goes with Serenity. Damn picky players...
"You've got an accident prone child you make him wear a helmet; you have death prone children you keep a couple of clones around the lab."
-Doctor Venture

Bagpuss

#44
October 05, 2006, 06:10:10 AM
Quote from: ColonelHardissonAnyway, the main reason they wouldn't play was that it wasn't d20. They didn't want to switch systems.

I thought his reason was more convincing.
 
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