There was a GURPS advantage for that.

Ah, the trifecta that made me acutely aware of how poisonous RPG.net "darlings" could be:

Burning Wheel
Spirit of the Century
Dogs in the Vineyard.

I had such a hard time with Spirit that I haven't been able to give ANY FATE RPG a fair shake since. I *really* wanted to like all three (especially the first two).

Quote from: Tommy Brownell;458847I had such a hard time with Spirit that I haven't been able to give ANY FATE RPG a fair shake since. I *really* wanted to like all three (especially the first two).

With this, I just kept on using Fudge or Terra Incognita along with a collection of house rules. A couple of the really best original games I ever ran came out of using Fudge/TI.

I wanted to like Rolemaster and Spacemaster. I GM'd MERP for years and wanted something more, an expansion. Instead the covers of the books concealed a layer of steaming shit. So disappointed with the typos, unnecessary complications, need to buy half a dozen companions or you felt you were missing out. I thought I'd not given it a fair crack of the whip so bought it again a few years ago, only to find there's all sorts of editions out now and I'm not sure what is what. I think I own most of them, and they may be roughly the same game, but I was right the first time round.

It's crap. MERP was massively better in every respect for me and my group.

I have the HARP game to look at but it's stuck in a pile of other stuff gathering dust.

I never felt the love for Runequest either. BECMI D&D ruled our gaming sessions for so long everything else was a passing fad, including AD&D though we gave that a fair try.

Traveller, another one that never caught on. I think it was the fact that we as teenagers couldn't get out heads around playing 40 odd year old characters, as you needed them and some lucky rolls to get decent skills.

Star Wars rpg was ok but the setting felt like a millstone around the neck after a while. Stromtroopers were mowed down in droves by high level characters and what's Star Wars without stormtroopers? Were I running it today I'd use elements from the force unleashed video game which was excellent.

Quote from: Tommy Brownell;458847I had such a hard time with Spirit that I haven't been able to give ANY FATE RPG a fair shake since. I *really* wanted to like all three (especially the first two).

That's too bad because Starblazer Adventures and ICONS are both great games.  Note that I totally agree with you about spirit of the century.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;459044That's too bad because Starblazer Adventures and ICONS are both great games.  Note that I totally agree with you about spirit of the century.

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I have both of those...I have Starblazer Adventures in PDF (from one of the RPGNow charity bundles) and I own (and have ran) ICONS...ICONS' "pseudo-FATE married to Marvel FASERIP" approach works for me a bit better...I've just been really gunshy about Starblazer Adventures because of SotC.

Serenity, man.

Quote from: Tommy Brownell;459087I've just been really gunshy about Starblazer Adventures because of SotC.

IMO SBA is significantly clearer and better-written than SotC.

Another one:
M&M 2e I ordered it online when i returned to RPGs on 05. I guess I didn't expect the new hotness to look so much like Hero, which I also did not like.

Quote from: Aos;459613Another one:
M&M 2e I ordered it online when i returned to RPGs on 05. I guess I didn't expect the new hotness to look so much like Hero, which I also did not like.

I must concur.

Diaspora's the only one that doesn't make me grind my teeth, and even then I've got to use 1d6-1d6 for it.

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;459618Diaspora's the only one that doesn't make me grind my teeth, and even then I've got to use 1d6-1d6 for it.

wrong thread?

Quote from: Aos;459619wrong thread?

Yes, but also very appropriate.

Quote from: Tommy Brownell;458847Ah, the trifecta that made me acutely aware of how poisonous RPG.net "darlings" could be:

Burning Wheel
Spirit of the Century
Dogs in the Vineyard.

I really like Burning Wheel... as an intellectual exercise. I like a lot of the rules, Circles, Character Advancement, Steel, the way anti-armor weapons work, etc. I like it not for the usual reasons "forgie" people like it, I like it because it reminds me of the "realistic" games that were fashionable in the eighties, games like Time Lords, Hârnmaster, Rolemaster, etc.

On the other hand, as a game, I see it as unplayable. I guess the people who claim to have played it are saying the truth, but there's no way I see myself running it, or my group playing it. Character generation is very involved, Character Advancement bookkeeping a chore, three types of Artha (hero points)? Come on.

Actually, according to Luke, most "forgie" types don't play games like Burning Wheel.  Guess it runs too "trad" for their tastes or something.

Anecdotally, it's worked at our table.  It's definitely challenging -- you really have to be willing to digest the game to make it work.  I remember getting a similar feeling like "There's no way..." when I first took a look at Exalted, back when my only experience with a fantasy game was 3e.  But we managed to figure it out with a bit of practice, and once you get the hang of it it's pretty rewarding.