Games Workshop: Set to Self Destruct?

Erik Boielle · May 06, 2007, 08:59:03 PM

QuoteHow is that humiliating?

Do some research old son.

Wouldn't want to look ill informed, would we.

jrients · May 06, 2007, 10:26:40 PM

Erik, for all I know every factual claim and personal opinion you've offered in this thread is right as rain. I don't know. I lack the information to really judge one way or the other. What I do know is that you are coming off as a rabid attack dog with an axe to grind. Are there others on the thread with agendas? Probably. But the flaws in the arguments of your opposition are flying under the radar because you are coming off as a big jerk.

Herr Arnulfe · May 06, 2007, 11:22:55 PM

Erik doesn't use the internet for discussion. It's all about catharsis. He can spout his ideas without having to undergo the challenge of securing a willing listener.

You see, Erik blames the fact that he can't find any players on the games themselves. If only game companies weren't catering to all the wrong-headed fans out there, maybe Erik could find someone to play with.

David Johansen · May 06, 2007, 11:50:59 PM

I suppose I could always rant about D&D for a spell, to make him look articulate and rational.

Imperator · May 07, 2007, 04:24:47 AM

He's one of the many clowns of this circus. It's almost a clynical case.

Erik Boielle · May 07, 2007, 06:29:54 AM

QuoteErik doesn't use the internet for discussion

No no, he does. But first he feels you need to get rid of the retards, who, for instance think no one likes Space Marines or Griffons.

How is the traffic at strike to stun these days? Still humming is it? Still gets lots of posts? Hmmm? Hmmm?

Drew · May 07, 2007, 07:07:20 AM

Quote from: Erik BoielleHow is the traffic at strike to stun these days?

Better than on Games Workshop's own forums, that's for sure.

Nicephorus · May 07, 2007, 09:47:12 AM

I wonder how much of a ding GW has taken from the growth of pre-painted minis. I don't think people who have invested $1000+ are suddenly going to switch hobbies. But there are probably a fair number of teenagers who opted to get into pre-painted instead of GW. I know several individual cases who were had played GW for a while and stopped - when they restarted, they went with prepainted rather than getting back into expensive and time consuming figures. But I'm not sure how common these people are - these cases are both miniature and rpg players, not hardcore mini players.

I'm not predicting doom but prepainted could easily account for a 10% drop in sales and a drop in long term growth.

Drew · May 07, 2007, 09:54:07 AM

Quote from: NicephorusI wonder how much of a ding GW has taken from the growth of pre-painted minis. I don't think people who have invested $1000+ are suddenly going to switch hobbies. But there are probably a fair number of teenagers who opted to get into pre-painted instead of GW. I know several individual cases who were had played GW for a while and stopped - when they restarted, they went with prepainted rather than getting back into expensive and time consuming figures. But I'm not sure how common these people are - these cases are both miniature and rpg players, not hardcore mini players.

I'm not predicting doom but prepainted could easily account for a 10% drop in sales and a drop in long term growth.

All I know is that if they released a range of affordable, quality WFRP-compatible miniatures then pretty much everyone I know would be buying them. That may not be indicative of the genral gaming population, but if WotC's success with the Star Wars and D&D ranges are anything to go by it would likely be a runaway hit.

Spike · May 07, 2007, 01:07:10 PM

Now I recall where I know Eric Boille from. HE was the guy in the CP v3 debates that rabidly tore into my informal review of it, then three days later revealed he hadn't actually seen it yet!

Aha! I knew I knew him from somewhere!

Imagine my shock, having sat there, book in 'hand' so to speak (PDF, really) only to realize the guy telling me I hadn't read what I had actually read, hadn't read what I'd read at all. It wasn't a miscommunication, it wasn't a 'different interpretation' it was blind, rabid defense of something based on knee jerk, instinctive protectiveness.

Apparently, by reading the book at the earliest possibility, I hadn't done my research. :raise:

Ian Absentia · May 07, 2007, 01:22:44 PM

Quote from: SpikeApparently, by reading the book at the earliest possibility, I hadn't done my research. :raise:

You monster.

!i!

Erik Boielle · May 07, 2007, 01:31:58 PM

QuoteApparently, by reading the book at the earliest possibility, I hadn't done my research.

Well, like I say, Mike had made it VERY clear what he was doing with V3, so it wasn't a surprise to me at all.

Like I say, not my fault if people hadn't bothered to read what he was selling before buying. I knew, and I hadn't seen it. Whats your excuse? Didn't read the previews and interviews properly maybe?

jrients · May 07, 2007, 01:34:31 PM

Quote from: Erik BoielleWell, like I say, Mike had made it VERY clear what he was doing with V3, so it wasn't a surprise to me at all.

Like I say, not my fault if people hadn't bothered to read what he was selling before buying. I knew, and I hadn't seen it. Whats your excuse? Didn't read the previews and interviews properly maybe?

Are you saying that Mr. Pondsmith is only interested in selling his product to people who have done the research? Otherwise, I don't understand this argument you are making. I expect core books to stand on their own and not need supplemental preliminary material to understand.

J Arcane · May 07, 2007, 01:38:34 PM

Quote from: jrientsAre you saying that Mr. Pondsmith is only interested in selling his product to people who have done the research? Otherwise, I don't understand this argument you are making. I expect core books to stand on their own and not need supplemental preliminary material to understand.

Please, please, please don't encourage the little troll.

If you really want to know, google up some of the threads on the subject from RPGnet circa the game's release.

The last thing this thread needs is someone encouraging Eric to diversify his apparent insanity.

Spike · May 07, 2007, 01:44:46 PM

No, encouraging him would be to repeat some of my most stinging critisisms so that he could attempt, once more, to rebutt them by using his amazing powers of... wait, what are these amazing powers again? Oh yeah, to read and judge a book without actually, you know, reading the damn book.

Knowing the designers 'intent' doesn't actually mean they don't have to put out a decent product.

In other words: Bill Gates could tell me the next version of Windows will clean my house for me, but if the damn thing barely runs at all, and doesn't even look at the dust, much less take care of it, well his intent isn't worth the air it took him to spew it.