Games Workshop: Set to Self Destruct?

Wil · May 06, 2007, 12:49:51 AM

Quote from: pathfinderapGreed, they start to loose money so put a tighter strangle hold on things,
things get worse so they increase the strangle hold, their greed feed fear of the lose of money clouds their understanding so they will continue to strangle themselves to death,

You reap what you sow,

Sounds like a certain recording industry association here in the United States...

Settembrini · May 06, 2007, 01:46:09 AM

QuoteWFRP (ESPECIALLY v2) has very little to do with warhammer as defined in the wargames and novels and whatnot.

That´s pretty right.

Again, Erik:

I´m not saying GW should give fuck about some old fatbeards. They should do, what is economically sound. Which they didn´t in the last years.

Now, they can afford to loose that much. They are big and professional. But they are in a crisis. Period.

Drew · May 06, 2007, 04:44:38 AM

Quote from: SettembriniThat´s pretty right.

Again, Erik:

I´m not saying GW should give fuck about some old fatbeards. They should do, what is economically sound. Which they didn´t in the last years.

Now, they can afford to loose that much. They are big and professional. But they are in a crisis. Period.

Indeed. All that their current revenues indicate is that they have the capital to dig themselves out their current hole, if they smarten up. Bloody-mindedly pushing on with their curret policies in the hope that everyone will eventually come back to their way of thinking is pretty unwise, though. Shrinking profits of the magnitude quoted above spells real trouble, especially when coupled with the corporate mentality I quoted in my opening post.

The thing is I like Games Workshop, or at least their intellectual property. I don't want to see them go the way of the dodo due to mismanagement, it'd be one of the great tragedies of gaming if narrow-sighted short term money grabbing wrecked everything.

Settembrini · May 06, 2007, 04:47:12 AM

Yeah, they should return to longsighted-strategic money grabbing. They were good at that.

Drew · May 06, 2007, 04:51:55 AM

I don't begrudge them trying to turn a profit, but when it's done at the expense of the entire company and results in forum closure, seemingly random sackings and an anti-errata policy then my attitude swiftly changes.

dsfd re 34rewfe 32 · May 06, 2007, 06:41:34 AM

Quote from: Drew... it'd be one of the great tragedies of gaming if narrow-sighted short term money grabbing wrecked everything.

One of many. :brood:

pathfinderap · May 06, 2007, 07:29:54 AM

Quote from: Erik BoielleYeah, this is the thing.

I just like the damn toys. You will be far happier if you make your peace with Games Workshop being Games Workshop - no, they don't care about you, and frankly caring about you would be bad for their business.

Now, can you just shut the fuck up and let people who haven't burned out yet enjoy it?

But you know what would be an even better idea?, you shut the Fuck up

Anybody would think this whole thread was set up to be some sort of personal attack on you, by your reaction,

Quote from: Erik BoielleAlso - I can't find my IPod. Where the fuck is my IPod. It is YOUR FAULT I can't find my IPod.

Yeah you're right, you can find it up your butt, next time don't piss me off

Herr Arnulfe · May 06, 2007, 02:15:34 PM

Quote from: Erik BoielleThe original WFRP fanbase was a half dozen crotchety old men on Strike to Stun. Not marketing to huge, untapped markets like that is another reason GW do so well.

Actually, I think WFRP2 goes to far to appease the trekkies and not enough to appeal to the wider Warhammer fanbase.

You know, all the people who actually like the little men instead of people who don't like GW very much...

WFRP (ESPECIALLY v2) has very little to do with warhammer as defined in the wargames and novels and whatnot.

I seem to recall after you posted a series of drive-by trolls at StS, it was revealed that you've never actually played WFRP and really don't know anything about the game.

Erik Boielle · May 06, 2007, 05:04:36 PM

Played a year long campaign, and a number of failed starts at The Enemy Within old son.

You old fatbeard you.

I stand by my opinion that the best thing that could happen to WFRP is to forget you ever existed.

Maybe then they could produce some actual warhammer material.

RPGObjects_chuck · May 06, 2007, 07:10:15 PM

Quote from: SettembriniEspecially as they could even sell more minis via the RPG. Long-term customer relation via Sourcebooks and novels and personal history. It could smash D&D in Europe, be the D&D here, if done shrewdly. But the recent GW seems to lack vision and shrewdness.
And the recent Edition of WHFRP wouldn´t lend itself well to it either, I´d argue.

Except that minis is a much, much better business to be in than RPGs.

It's like a diamond store also selling aspirin and batteries. Sure, more people need those than diamonds, but that's not their market.

Herr Arnulfe · May 06, 2007, 07:15:08 PM

Quote from: Erik BoiellePlayed a year long campaign, and a number of failed starts at The Enemy Within old son.

You old fatbeard you.

I stand by my opinion that the best thing that could happen to WFRP is to forget you ever existed.

Maybe then they could produce some actual warhammer material.

Oh right, the solo campaign where you played the King of Bretonnia with your half-retarded brother GMing for you. You couldn't get Enemy Within off the ground? One of the most GM-friendly campaigns ever, which practically runs itself? No wonder you're bitter.

I once appreciated your quirky, obtuse posting style, but somewhere along the way you must've suffered a medical trauma that turned you into a spastic, annoying shitmouth. GW really doesn't need apologists like you fighting their battles for them.

King of Old School · May 06, 2007, 07:15:29 PM

Quote from: Erik BoielleYES! DUMBASS! WE DO SEE HOW WELL IT FUCKING WORKS, KNOBEND! ITS HOW GAMES WORKSHOP OPERATE DIPSHIT! YOU KNOW! GAMES WORKSHOP! BY FAR THE BIGGEST COMPANY IN MINIATURES GAMING! OPERATES A CHAIN OF SHOPS! HAS NEVER GONE BUST, WHICH IS SOMETHING DnD CAN'T SAY! ACUTALLY MAKES A DECENT PROFIT OUT OF GAMING! IF YOU DON'T OPERATE LIKE GW YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOURSELF WHY!

MORON! FOOL! PILLOCK!

Neither D&D, nor any company who has published D&D, has ever gone bust.

Who's the pillock now? Don't you ever get tired of saying such retarded things? Fucking clownshoe.

KoOS

Erik Boielle · May 06, 2007, 07:24:27 PM

Meh - being forced in to a humiliating sale to WotC through genuine boneheaded business dealings* is close enough.

Try harder.

*That these include publishing Planescape and Spelljammer (and probably Buck Rogers XXVc, which I think is peachy) just highlights the unfairness of it all. Still, such is life. Only a cretin would think otherwise. Hence my comments really. You don't have to like it, but you should at least be aware of it.

Sdly, many people just arn't bright enough to understand such deep concepts.

King of Old School · May 06, 2007, 07:59:22 PM

Quote from: Erik BoielleMeh - being forced in to a humiliating sale to WotC through genuine boneheaded business dealings* is close enough.

How is that humiliating? Was it also humiliating when WotC was sold in short order to Hasbro? The simple fact is that D&D has always been profitable and no corporate stupidity has ever managed to undermine this simple fact, contrary to what you claimed in your idiotic post. Do yourself a favour and don't talk about business -- you betray your stunning lack of cluefulness with every post you make. Not that you don't look similarly twattish in your other comments, but on business matters your ignorance is even more appallingly obvious.

KoOS

Spike · May 06, 2007, 08:31:03 PM

Quote from: Pierce InverarityGee, look at my current name level. I wonder if there's a GW apothecary mini. It would have to be a gnome, though. Everyone knows that all apothecaries are gnomes.

There is, in fact, a series of Apothacary miniatures from GW. However, they are NOT gnomes. They are 8 foot tall genetically engineered super-soldier monks wearing the finest armor in the Galaxy and carrying the Holy Bolter as their side arm. They know no fear for they are the Angels of Death, the Emperors Finest...

... They are Space Marines.

:what: