Exalted doesn't begin to approach D&D levels of popularity, to speak of them in the same sentence is not really right.

Nothing approaches D&D levels of popularity.

I'll even give Erik a helping hand, as he seems to be struggling here:

EverQuest RPG: Failed

World of Warcraft d20: Failed

Streetfighter RPG: Failed

But I'm sure he's aware of this, and right now is busily gathering data to utterly annihilate my challenge...

Quote from: Erik BoielleMeaning scifi rpgs haven't really approached DnD or Exalted levels.

Traveller once occupied the second chair held later by Vampire and Exalted, but that was a long time ago.

Speaking of a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, the most popular sci-fi RPG I can name right now isn't set in anything resembling a grim future of only war, and the dudes in heavy armor are generally the bad guys.

Quote from: jrientsAs an aside, I'd totally try a tabletop RPG where you played an Italian plumber who bonked evil mushrooms with a mallet while trying to save a princess from a maniacal turtle.

Exalted would be perfect for this...

Sorry. Wrong Message Board.

Quote from: jrientsSpeaking of a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, the most popular sci-fi RPG I can name right now isn't set in anything resembling a grim future of only war, and the dudes in heavy armor are generally the bad guys.

Its got Jedi. Who are unberbadases.

Dark Maul isn't a million miles away from a Chaos Space Marine.

If you squint.

I mean, I'm talking conceptually here. Dark brooding warriors and all that.

Right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOIxOQD2zRA





I mean, I used to play it as rebels in a freighter (ALWAYS! EVERY FUCKING TIME CALLED THE ALUMINIUM MALLARD! AND TWICE THAT WAS BECAUSE I FOOLISHLY MADE A JOKE ABOUT HOW THE SHIP ALWAYS ENDED UP CALLED THE ALUMINIUM MALLARD AND HOW SILLY THAT WAS!!!!! ARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH!). And I was happy with it.

But I just don't know if the kids wouldn't rather be Jedi...

I mean, a Star Wars high powered Jedi campaign is just the sort of thing I'd want from a Space Marine game.

It all comes down to an almighty duel between the loyal marine and the chaos marine who betrayed him.

With big ass powerswords.

On a cliff.

In a storm.

Yknow?










I mean, it wouldn't be hard to reimagine this:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38VV7qkYNc

in to a 40K vibe right?

You have the ancient veteran Brother Jinn and his young Apprentice Brother Kenobi who are liberating the world Naboo IV from the armies of the Blood Pact Cult when they are confronted by Brother Maul of the Thousand Sons...

QuoteTraveller once occupied the second chair held later by Vampire and Exalted, but that was a long time ago.

"Not as clumsy or as testosterone laden as Warhammer, but an elegant game for a more civilized age."

 -Setti-Wan-Kenobi

Quote from: Settembrini"Not as clumsy or as testosterone laden as Warhammer, but an elegant game for a more civilized age."

 -Setti-Wan-Kenobi

 Damn Sett!,

 You and I finally agree on something.

- Ed C.

Quote from: jrientsAs an aside, I'd totally try a tabletop RPG where you played an Italian plumber who bonked evil mushrooms with a mallet while trying to save a princess from a maniacal turtle.

And once again Gnome apothecaries get the shaft.

Here's a question, Boille. Can you briefly (and coherently) summarize your position without bringing up Star Wars or Exalted or "cut-scenes" from video games or posting a link? What is your "point", if you have one? :confused:

WFRP 2e is a POPULAR rpg (by pen and paper standards) even though Games Workshop did not pimp the game AT ALL. It's probably in the top 5 as far as 'pen and paper' rpg popularity goes, and might even be the number 2 rpg worldwide, if you count popularity outside North America.

Granted, White Wolf is the number 2 rpg COMPANY, but it doesn't necessarily mean they have the number 2 RPG. They do have more than 1 rpg, after all.

Can you more coherently explain what your beef with WFRP 2e is? Because it's an EXCELLENT game. Is it not "violence-porny" enough for you? :confused:  If you believe that, then you haven't read the book. And if you're so obsessed with being a "violence-porn" ass-kicker, why not just start off with an advanced career for some warrior-type? It'll work, believe me.

From a business standpoint, it is common sense to STRONGLY ADVERTISE anything containing your IP. If GW pimped the rpg, it would INDIRECTLY strengthen the IP of their other Warhammer properties.

You don't put all your eggs in one basket, even if it's a big basket (like minis). I mean, honestly, in their GW stores, they should be pimping Warhammer minis, computer games, rpgs, t-shirts, coffee mugs, and Warhammer-cola to boot. The company IS less profitable, and they should do SOMETHING to fix the cracks in the dam. Pimping the rpg alone won't do that, but it IS indeed ONE thing among MANY things they can do to help their company.

Another question: Is the casualty rate in the game too high for you? If so, I don't see why. Warriors die left and right in the minis game. Without casualties, no one would win a battle... :duel:

Quote from: Sacrificial LambHere's a question, Boille. Can you briefly (and coherently) summarize your position without bringing up Star Wars or Exalted or "cut-scenes" from video games or posting a link? What is your "point", if you have one? :confused:

That's the M.O, i'm afraid. When people give up, victory will be announced and the balance of the internet will be restored.

In fairness to Erik, I was the one who brought up Star Wars, not he.

I'd like to add something. I believe that advertising has as much of an influence on sales and popularity as the quality of the game itself, and that WFRP 2e isn't nearly as popular as it could be, because it wasn't properly marketed. If GW had done what they were supposed to do with the rpg, WFRP 2e would SOLIDLY (without a doubt) be the number 2 rpg, and actually be in a position to give D&D a run for its money (though I don't think it would ever quite reach the sales that D&D has).

And here's the great thing. Since GW licenses the game to Green Ronin (or is it Black Industries..? :confused: ), they wouldn't need to deal with the headaches of producing the game themselves. They just need to stock the game, and advertise, and watch as roleplayers pick up Warhammer minis to supplement their game.

That is my belief. Take it as you will. :cool:

Quote from: jrientsIn fairness to Erik, I was the one who brought up Star Wars, not he.

Fair enough.

Quote from: signoftheserpentI never played the miniatures stuff since I hate paiting and paying for them. However once i went into my local GW interested in the 40K ccg, which I actually like, and was told they don't stock it.

Yeah they aren't going to stock the W40K RPG when that comes out either. Those shops like the post says just sell miniatures, paints, cases, brushes, etc.

I love WFRP 2nd ed.  It's my current favorite RGP of all time.  But if you think

Quote from: Sacrificial LambIf GW had done what they were supposed to do with the rpg, WFRP 2e would SOLIDLY (without a doubt) be the number 2 rpg, and actually be in a position to give D&D a run for its money (though I don't think it would ever quite reach the sales that D&D has).

this is true you are sadly mistaken.  It may very well be 2nd in popularity to D&D  in terms of how well known it is.  But in terms of sales to suggest it'd give D&D a run for it's money is laughable.  If you put WFRP 1st ed and 2nd together it's not even a blip on the D&D juggernaut.  Hell I know players that love GW's mini games but won't buy the RPG, favouring D&D instead.