Quoterush down to their local hobby store and start buying mini's because they like Dawn of War.

Actually, GW seem to talk a lot about Blood Ravens these days, and they have done three novelisations, which is a tie in.



























http://uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/painting-blood-ravens/1/

QuoteDark Heresy has an audience it's as simple as that.

It just isn't as big as it could be.

Kryyst ,
 You need to get some sort of prize for that.

 He still posted -  right after you nailed him to the wall

- Ed C.

Erik, what are all the pretty pictures supposed to be proving?

Erik: why don't you write up a serious proposal and mail it to GW. I mean, you'd have to seriously tone down your Crazy Man schtick, and you'd probably also benefit from getting a recognizable 'name' onboard. Go the full 9 yards - do a market demographics section, write up a few sample pages of rules and scenario ideas. I'd avoid spamming them with GW artwork, but you could reference the computer game properties in the 'Atmosphere and Themes' section.

It seems the energy you waste yelling at people over the internet could be better spent designing this Holy Grail of RPGs you envision. Heck, if your theory is right you could even get rich!

Quote from: jrientsErik, what are all the pretty pictures supposed to be proving?

Sorry - the Blood Ravens are a chapter invented for dawn of war - they are the guys you play in the campaign in the first game.

All those pictures are of Blood Raven minis people have rushed to the store to buy after playing the game.

Course, not all of them might be video gamers with no prior interest in minis (I mean, if they are and they can paint that well it isn't fair), but there you go.

Quote from: Erik BoielleSorry - the Blood Ravens are a chapter invented for dawn of war - they are the guys you play in the campaign in the first game.

All those pictures are of Blood Raven minis people have rushed to the store to buy after playing the game.

Course, not all of them might be video gamers with no prior interest in minis (I mean, if they are and they can paint that well it isn't fair), but there you go.

Do you have any info on the production numbers for those figures?  If they are in line with any other line, then I would conclude that they are simply the hot thing among the already extant 40K fanbase.  If they produced and sold ten times as many as any other marine chapter, then you could argue we've got a crossover hit here.

Quote from: Erik BoielleCourse, not all of them might be video gamers with no prior interest in minis (I mean, if they are and they can paint that well it isn't fair), but there you go.

No, not all of them might be video gamers....  I'd wager that almost none of them  were video gamers, that suddenly said "HOLY CRAP there's a mini game based on this - I gotta get a piece of that action".   You have an amazingly skewed perception of reality.  I mean sure it's good humor to post off of but if you believe even half the shit you are trying to spew you need to stand back and take a look at the bigger picture.

GW produces 40k the hugely successful mini-game.  They then license it out to THQ to make a video game based on it.  That video game sells primarily to 40k fans who like video games, it's secondary crowd are pure video game fans, and it's tertiary crowd are 40k fans who aren't big video game fans.

Dawn of War sells well and gets raving reviews - So time to put marketing to work.  They have a line of books on almost all their other source material so it's simple enough to release a line of books based on Dawn of War.  Since 40k  [mini] fans are buying the game they might as well pander to them and release a line of mini's to go along with the game.  It's a pretty direct path.  A long the way a few video game fans who were generally oblivious to the 40k mini game may step in and pick it up but it's far from the norm.

None of this at all of course has any bearing on the RPG, which is being released in 3 stages.  Dark Heresy is localized effectively WFRP in space.  Next they hit up Rogue Trader and send the gaming to the fringes of the world, pretty much Firefly in space if you will.  Then they step in with the big guns and release which will basically be the Space Marine rpg.  Of course over this entire time line other books are going to be released flushing out the 40k world into an rpg format, a very daunting task in it's own right.  So you want your Space Marine rpg - you just get to wait longer.

Quote from: Erik BoielleI just don't think its a good idea to end up with things that not only ARN'T video games, but arn't even about the same things that enormously popular video games are about.

Then you'd probably be better off on a fucking video games forum, instead of continually threadcrapping here with this tired old shit.

Seriously. Name five rpgs based off 'enormously popular' video games that have gone on to dominate the tabletop market. If it were the simple equation you claim it to be then the market should be littered with such examples.

Quote from: DrewSeriously. Name five rpgs based off 'enormously popular' video games that have gone on to dominate the tabletop market. If it were the simple equation you claim it to be then the market should be littered with such examples.

Well, I mean LOTS of video games stole DnDs clothes (onimusha:dod characters have levels and hp and gain xp for instance).

Exalted stole Final Fantasies clothes, more or less.

And that right there is most of the gaming that gets done isn't it?

Games like video games do dominate gaming, for one reason or another. That is the mainstream - and if you arn't going for that then you are going for a fringe market.

You know, I play a lot of video games, it's a big part of the stuff I enjoy.

I don't want my rpgs to be like video games, I have video games for that.

It's like making the novels I read more like video games, it's a category error.

Put another way, WTF?

So, Erik.  Why can't I think of a 40K lookalike RPG that's popular?  Mutant Chronicles is due out for a new edition, but that hasn't been exactly a breakout hit.  Rifts is comparable in many ways, but has a cult following at best and a cult CULT following at worst.  Am I missing something?

Quote from: Erik BoielleWell, I mean LOTS of video games stole DnDs clothes (onimusha:dod characters have levels and hp and gain xp for instance).

I asked you to name successful rpg's that were based off video games, not the other way around. Did you bother to read my post?

QuoteExalted stole Final Fantasies clothes, more or less.

If you polled a representative sample of Exalted gamers the most likely influences you'd be cited are anime and manga, followed by ancient mythology, followed by Final Fantasy as a distant third. Have you actually read any of Exalted, in either addition? More importantly, have you played it? I'm guessing not. Big swords and combos does not constitute "stealing clothes," unless there's a hidden population of Moogles in the game no-one told me about.

QuoteAnd that right there is most of the gaming that gets done isn't it?

How you reached this conclusion (especially in light of my first point) is a complete mystery. You've categorically failed to respond to my challenge, so I'll repeat it again:

Name five rpgs based off 'enormously popular' video games that have gone on to dominate the tabletop market.

Quote from: jrientsSo, Erik.  Why can't I think of a 40K lookalike RPG that's popular?

On the plus side, there arn't any popular scifi rpgs that arn't like 40K.

:-)

Meaning scifi rpgs haven't really approached DnD or Exalted levels.

Nor will any kind of 40K RPG, probably, but such things are relative.

By the same standard there arn't really any fantasy games that approach DnD or even Exalted levels that arn't like them. Er. I think.

A 40K rpg focusing on muscles, oversized swords and big guns would be conceptually similar to DnD and Exalted. It would have the backing of the Games Workshop name.

As an aside, I'd totally try a tabletop RPG where you played an Italian plumber who bonked evil mushrooms with a mallet while trying to save a princess from a maniacal turtle.

Quote from: jrientsAs an aside, I'd totally try a tabletop RPG where you played an Italian plumber who bonked evil mushrooms with a mallet while trying to save a princess from a maniacal turtle.

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