QuoteThat aside, I don't see how "OMG THIS CUTSCENE ROXXORZ" supports your basic argument here.

Because its a little story that is AT LEAST as good as the story and acting you get in a (good) roleplaying session, and is also an almost exact rendition of how I see warhammer in computer game form (at least in terms of, yknow, Attitude).

So you can't say Real Warhammer wouldn't work as a roleplaying game because...

Quote from: Erik BoielleBecause its a little story that is AT LEAST as good as the story and acting you get in a (good) roleplaying session, and is also an almost exact rendition of how I see warhammer in computer game form (at least in terms of, yknow, Attitude).

So you can't say Real Warhammer wouldn't work as a roleplaying game because...

If you're concerned the 40K RGP will be about playing rat catchers and pig farmers in space, then you may have misread BI's announcements...

Quote from: Herr ArnulfeIf you're concerned the 40K RGP will be about playing rat catchers and pig farmers in space, then you may have misread BI's announcements...

Eh. They have made comments about Marines being Too Powerful (like battlewizards, I guess), and the guy writing it does things like not list codexes as sources for for fear, he says, of upsetting people.

And the adventures certainly sound like Call of Cthulhu adventures in space. Which would be fine, if there were more ninjas. And less sneaking around being scared and more macho rambo shit.

Irreparable damage, I say.

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Er, another example - the collected cutscenes from Shinobi -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5lzdO__YGQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv0muRybM8k

Its about a hardcore ninja (Imperial Eversor Assassin, possibly), but, yknow, its got characters and storys and whatnot. At least to the level required for roleplaying. Even on a very good day.

Quote from: Erik BoielleAnd the adventures certainly sound like Call of Cthulhu adventures in space. Which would be fine, if there were more ninjas. And less sneaking around being scared and more macho rambo shit.

Irreparable damage, I say.

I'm guessing you haven't read any of the Inquisitor novels which the first game will be based on?  It's hard to get more badass than this-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Eisenhorn

Quote from: mhensleyI'm guessing you haven't read any of the Inquisitor novels which the first game will be based on?  It's hard to get more badass than this-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Eisenhorn

In the game, you get to play his henchmen, doing the jobs not important enough for him to bother with personally.

:-/

So once again, as so many shitfuckingly idiotic Erik arguments before, it turns out in the end that he hasn't even fucking played or read any of the games in discussion.  

how entirely unsurprising.

Quote from: J ArcaneSo once again, as so many shitfuckingly idiotic Erik arguments before, it turns out in the end that he hasn't even fucking played or read any of the games in discussion.  

how entirely unsurprising.

If having a half-assed opinion of a game you've never played is a sin, then count me among the sinners.  Admittedly, I've never been as strident about games I don't play as Erik.  'WFRP should be more like Warhammer Fantasy should be more like 40K should be more like this computer game's cutscenes' is just an odd way to construct an argument.

Quote from: J ArcaneSo once again, as so many shitfuckingly idiotic Erik arguments before, it turns out in the end that he hasn't even fucking played or read any of the games in discussion.  

how entirely unsurprising.

I've certainly READ wfb. Articles going back to 1980 something probably. And I've been halfheartedly painting minis for it for at least as long. And I've played everything else. I think.

Arn't you trying to argue that Call of Cthulhu is all about the cosmic horror and not at all about the tommy guns in the other thread there?

AY! ESS ESS! AITCH OH! EL EEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Quote from: jrients'WFRP should be more like Warhammer Fantasy should be more like 40K should be more like this computer game's cutscenes' is just an odd way to construct an argument.

Computer games are the principle culture of almost everyone under 35 these days.

I reckon.

Quote from: jrientsIf having a half-assed opinion of a game you've never played is a sin, then count me among the sinners.  Admittedly, I've never been as strident about games I don't play as Erik.  'WFRP should be more like Warhammer Fantasy should be more like 40K should be more like this computer game's cutscenes' is just an odd way to construct an argument.

It's just goalpost shifting.  Once he realized everyone else but him had actually played WFB and now knew he hadn't, he had to find a new target.

At it's base, it's still idiotic.  His point is still moot.  D&D already caters quite well to the power fantasy set, and there's no reason to believe that Games Workshop would somehow magically be able to change that over night.  Exalted did it even better, and probably closer to the wankfest Erik is creaming all over, and I don't see it knocking off the top spot anywhere except on RPGnet, which as we all know, is not real life.

What this is really about, is that Erik is a damn troll, with a distinct signature style, and this thread fits that to a tee, right down to it turning out that he doesn't even play the damn games, or know a damn thing about them.

Quote from: Erik BoielleIn the game, you get to play his henchmen, doing the jobs not important enough for him to bother with personally.

:-/

Those that want to play inquisitors ferreting out evil get to buy the 1st book next year.  Those that don't want to get to wait a couple more years when the 3rd one comes out that is built around the Marines.  

But as for the merits of the game, it'll be a quality product that the current WFRPG is.  In fact the first books overall theme will very much be WFRPG in the 40k setting and it's going to sell like mad.

Except that GW seem to do well in the power wank sector of every other market they seem to approach...

Quote from: Erik BoielleIn the game, you get to play his henchmen, doing the jobs not important enough for him to bother with personally.

:-/

See. That is the sort of arguement that would get you more support if you lead with it.

Indeed, why is it assumed that playing the henchmen of an inquisitor or rogue trader is going to be the 'cool way' to play the game? If the game doesn't support my players being the bad-ass inquisitors themselves it's going to be flawed. Nobody wants to play the second stringers.

QuoteIndeed, why is it assumed that playing the henchmen of an inquisitor or rogue trader is going to be the 'cool way' to play the game?

Well, my argument is that it is because of a terribly unhealthy 'we are so better than those morons at GW' culture that sprung up on Strike to Stun and Critical hit, which more or less demanded putting as much space between the mythical WFRPv1 which existed only in their minds and WFB. Which has unfortunatly been conveyed to BI by constant bleating, not smacked down early enough by right thinking people.

Says I.

Quote from: Erik BoielleWell, my argument is that it is because of a terribly unhealthy 'we are so better than those morons at GW' culture that sprung up on Strike to Stun and Critical hit, which more or less demanded putting as much space between the mythical WFRPv1 which existed only in their minds and WFB. Which has unfortunatly been conveyed to BI by constant bleating, not smacked down early enough by right thinking people.

The situations aren't really comparable though. In WFRP, even the flea-ridden Charcoal Burners get to wander around getting into trouble wherever they please. They aren't subordinate to a GMPC. And do you know for certain that DH doesn't support playing an Inquisitor?