Games Workshop: Set to Self Destruct?

One Horse Town · May 09, 2007, 01:35:20 PM

Quote from: Erik BoielleIt just so ODD.

As opposed to ADD?

Herr Arnulfe · May 09, 2007, 01:44:24 PM

Quote from: jrientsHerr Arnulfe, that's completely uncalled for. If Erik wants to argue that WFRP (a game he doesn't play) should be more like Warhammer Fantasy (another game he doesn't play) that's his right. I fail to see the point, but that's his right.

You're right, it was immature. :deflated:

Zachary The First · May 09, 2007, 01:54:56 PM

Yeah? Well, I'm 5'10 1/2", 240 lbs. on a good day, and can be outrun by a snail with a smoker's cough. To top it off, my hairline is receeding. And although a white middle-class midwestern suburbanite, I do not believe I am a) a master swordsman, b) a ninja, or c) a potential pit-fighting champion. But I can totally do this thing where it looks like my stomach is talking.

Let's not start this knob-waving folks. Clearly, as a specimen, I have you all beat. As a specimen of what, I'm not quite sure.

Koltar · May 09, 2007, 02:12:03 PM

There is just too much material in this thread to bounce off of.

First, from the game store point-of-view, WARHAMMER ; both Fantasy and 40k miniatures and related books sell pretty well. Every one of our regulars who plays them complain about the high prices tho.

WARHAMMER:Fantasy Role play has at least 3 or 4 groups that stop by the store on a regular basis and seem to play weekly or monthly.

....and to break a cliche : one of our regular customers who plays WARHAMMER 40k is great looking blonde lady in her mid 20s that works in our mall's branch of Frederick's of Hollywood. She bought a batch of pink six-sided dice just to use with WARHAMMER.

- Ed C.

Erik Boielle · May 09, 2007, 02:21:22 PM

jrients · May 09, 2007, 02:23:51 PM

Erik, I have no plan to click your links. I find cutscenes in video games to be an abomination unto the Lord. For you to argue that an media as freeform and open-ended as an RPG should be more like a cutscene just strikes me a cuckoo crazy.

Koltar · May 09, 2007, 02:26:49 PM

Cut scenes from a video game ?? Holy Hannah!!

I thought you guys were talking about the miniatures games and the RPGs based on them .

Did I get that right or not ?

- Ed C.

Erik Boielle · May 09, 2007, 02:28:39 PM

Quote from: jrientsErik, I have no plan to click your links. I find cutscenes in video games to be an abomination unto the Lord. For you to argue that an media as freeform and open-ended as an RPG should be more like a cutscene just strikes me a cuckoo crazy.

Ah well, I find, if I'm honest, the acting in cutscenes tends to be on par with the roleplaying that actually occurs at the table.

If I'm super honest, if a game was as good as the collected cutscenes in dawn of war, we'd be doing really fucking well, considering you are adlibbing, making OOC jokes, not everyone is on the same page or paying attention etc.

Course, in a roleplaying game you make it up as you go along, so its not JUST LIKE a cutscene, what with being able to steer it instead of just watching, but surely that kind of acting is what Warhammer at least is all about.

The ones from DoW are really good anyway. Just watch em.

mhensley · May 09, 2007, 02:34:00 PM

Quote from: KoltarFirst, from the game store point-of-view, WARHAMMER ; both Fantasy and 40k miniatures and related books sell pretty well. Every one of our regulars who plays them complain about the high prices tho.

Does your store sell more GW minis stuff now that GW has tried to stop internet stores from selling their stuff ?

Koltar · May 09, 2007, 02:34:34 PM

Quote from: Erik BoielleAh well, I find, if I'm honest, the acting in cutscenes tends to be on par with the roleplaying that actually occurs at the table.

Wow...way to insult hundreds, maybe thousands of gamers out there with one sentence.

- Ed C.

jrients · May 09, 2007, 02:35:50 PM

Quote from: KoltarDid I get that right or not ?

You were on track. Erik seems to want to talk about products that GW doesn't even make. Again I can't quite follow his point. This for instance:

Quote from: ErikIf I'm super honest, if a game was as good as the collected cutscenes in dawn of war, we'd be doing really fucking well, considering you are adlibbing, making OOC jokes, not everyone is on the same page or paying attention etc.

At my table, the adlibs and OOC jokes and shooting the breeze about comics and quoting Order of the Stick is all considered part of the fun. And maybe that's part of the fundamental problem here. Maybe I'm not understanding some of his arguments because Erik takes 40K a hell of a lot more seriously than I take D&D. To me, WFRP looks like a delightful little romp.

mhensley · May 09, 2007, 02:37:55 PM

Quote from: Erik BoielleThe ones from DoW are really good anyway. Just watch em.

The ones from Final Liberation were much better. Try this one-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOi3CzZjV0M

Erik Boielle · May 09, 2007, 02:44:32 PM

Quote from: KoltarWow...way to insult hundreds, maybe thousands of gamers out there with one sentence.

Can you really ad-lib to the giddy heights even of Neighbours or Eastenders or even a Straight To Video classic?

Its not insulting, its just the nature of the medium. Download some peoples game sessions and listen to them - imagine if it was a radio play instead of a game, and how good you'd think it was.

Witty reparte and nuanced characterisation is just easier if you have a script.

QuoteAt my table, the adlibs and OOC jokes and shooting the breeze about comics and quoting Order of the Stick is all considered part of the fun.

They are - now imagine the Dawn of War cutscene, only the Marine Commander is being played by Phil, who is stoned and the Inquisitor is Steve who spent half the session reading a sourcebook and and the dialogue is interspered with comments and the pacing breaks down every time someone throws the dice and, and there are no graphics and everything has to be described and rendered on the fly in the imagination.

The game is vastly more fun than watching the cutscene, but THE STORY AND THE DIALOGUE AND THE ACTING SURE AIN'T BETTER.

I reckon.

Koltar · May 09, 2007, 02:44:54 PM

Quote from: mhensleyDoes your store sell more GW minis stuff now that GW has tried to stop internet stores from selling their stuff ?

Honestly, I have not noticed an uptick in sales because of THAT. I thought we were fetting more GW customers just because word-of-mouth was getting around that we carried them.

By-the-way , Knoxville , TENN ? You live near one of our other branches. Send me a PM and I'll tell you which store.

- Ed C.

jrients · May 09, 2007, 02:50:32 PM

Quote from: Erik BoielleThey are - now imagine the Dawn of War cutscene, only the Marine Commander is being played by Phil, who is stoned and the Inquisitor is Steve who spent half the session reading a sourcebook and and the dialogue is interspered with comments and the pacing breaks down every time someone throws the dice and, and there are no graphics and everything has to be described and rendered on the fly in the imagination.

The game is vastly more fun than watching the cutscene, but THE STORY AND THE DIALOGUE AND THE ACTING SURE AIN'T BETTER.

I reckon.

Phil and Steve wouldn't last very long at my table. That aside, I don't see how "OMG THIS CUTSCENE ROXXORZ" supports your basic argument here.