Quote from: JohnnyWannabeViolence: the RPG - if it is still around is a freebie. Of course, the criminal conveyed in Violence might not be the kind of criminal you want to play. In fact, I don't know if anyone would to play that kind of criminal. It emulates the kind of GTA play you get when you are really bored and go around doing crappy things just to pass the time.

Yeah I think if any game could really do it I think Violence could.

And as you say, it's a free download

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaIf S.John Ross ever releases Fly From Evil, it could come close to fitting the bill. It's specific to an earlier era, though.

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He has been talking about this for a couple of years.   I am interested in Fly From Evil but I am begining to think that this is vaporware

Violence isn't a game.  Violence is a bitter old man's mocking joke at the expense of a playstyle he doesn't like.  

Most of the humor of the game is in spite of it's author rather than because of him, and the mechanics are barely even playable.

Quote from: J ArcaneViolence isn't a game.  Violence is a bitter old man's mocking joke at the expense of a playstyle he doesn't like.  

Most of the humor of the game is in spite of it's author rather than because of him, and the mechanics are barely even playable.

All I can say J Arcane as I brought the subject of Violence up and people have told me they have played it and it does in fact work.

I haven't tried it personally.  I am just saying.

Quote from: J ArcaneViolence isn't a game.  Violence is a bitter old man's mocking joke at the expense of a playstyle he doesn't like.

That may be true. But, if someone wants to play table top GTA-style games, then Violence fits the bill.

Quote from: JohnnyWannabeThat may be true. But, if someone wants to play table top GTA-style games, then Violence fits the bill.

Which isn't what I asked for in the original post.  I specifically stated I was disappointed with the amount of actual interesting crime in the real GTA games.  Have you actually played them?  Cause 90% of the crap in Violence has nothing to do with anything that appears in those games.

Violence is Greg Costikyan making fun of gamers, and nothing more, by twisting the dungeon crawl into a modern setting and then pointing and laughing at the result, branding gamers as a bunch of sociopaths.

It has all the relevance of a Jack Thompson rant about GTA.

Quote from: J ArcaneHave you actually played them?

Yes, I've played them. And while the story lines (i.e. the real missions and what not) are interesting enough, it's the stuff that you can do outside of the storylines that make the GTA series real fun for me. That's the joy with all sand box games. You can do whatever the hell you want.

Quote from: JohnnyWannabeYes, I've played them. And while the story lines (i.e. the real missions and what not) are interesting enough, it's the stuff that you can do outside of the storylines that make the GTA series real fun for me. That's the joy with all sand box games. You can do whatever the hell you want.

I agree that the outside the story stuff is where the fun is at.  In fact it's the only way I play.  I have San Andreas on my computer, and the first thing I did with it was download someone elses completed save, so I could jsut run aroudn the world going crazy.

Mostly though, I take really fast cars and jump them off of ramps, or I get in my helicopter and do things like diving into an ocean from thousands of feet high.

Because despite what Jack Thompson and the media would like to think, the sandbox element of the game supports very little crime, and what it does support is largely uninteresting.  

there's not the detail of, say, The Godfather game, where you can actually extort shop keepers for "protection", or knock over rival gang's gambling rackets, and generally get in turf wars with the other mobs.  San Andreas had a limited turf war system, but it pretty much just involved standing in one place and trying to kill X number of people before a timer ran out.

Have you checked out Wyrd is Bond?  It's GTA:San Andreas meets...Hellblazer.  I have it but haven't gotten a chance to play it yet.

  Being a black male in Chicago, with a fair amount of family members in gangs, I found it's take on gang culture kind of interesting to say the least.  It's a simple system, though it's more freeform than hard rules.  Eh, check it out and see what you think.

Quote from: J ArcaneI agree that the outside the story stuff is where the fun is at.  In fact it's the only way I play.  I have San Andreas on my computer, and the first thing I did with it was download someone elses completed save, so I could jsut run aroudn the world going crazy.

Mostly though, I take really fast cars and jump them off of ramps, or I get in my helicopter and do things like diving into an ocean from thousands of feet high.

Do you think someone actually creating a licensed GTA game would work?  I am just curious if you think there is enough interest for a game like that to work.

Quote from: Blue DevilDo you think someone actually creating a licensed GTA game would work?  I am just curious if you think there is enough interest for a game like that to work.

Well, I know of at least one developer who's taken to ripping off Rockstar's visual style with great gusto for their d20 shovelware.  We had a thread about their abortion supplement here some time back . . .

Quote from: Ghost_FaceBeing a black male in Chicago, with a fair amount of family members in gangs, I found it's take on gang culture kind of interesting to say the least.  

Could you expand on what it is you found interesting? As someone who grew up in rural England (an area bereft of gangs of anything other than cabbages and drunk farmers), I know next to nothing about that sort of thing. (I'm assuming that's a good interesting rather than a bad interesting.)

Oh hey, I just remembered -- if you can find a copy, GoO's Ghost Dog RPG (mentioned earlier) has lots of info on things like how racketeering/protection, different ways to launder money and all that kind of gangstery stuff work on a day-to-day basis. That could be very useful to you, as most books on gang/organised crime tend to skim over that kind of thing.

It's not a bad game all in all, actually. Tri-Stat, IIRC. But the gangster work life bits are the best part.

Quote from: CaudexOh hey, I just remembered -- if you can find a copy, GoO's Ghost Dog RPG has lots of info on things like how racketeering/protection, different ways to launder money and all that kind of gangstery stuff work on a day-to-day basis. That could be very useful to you, as most books on gang/organised crime tend to skim over that kind of thing.

It's not a bad game all in all, actually. Tri-Stat, IIRC.

I always wanted to check that one out.  I've never even seen the movie, the concept just sounded intriguing at the time.

Quote from: J ArcaneI always wanted to check that one out.  I've never even seen the movie, the concept just sounded intriguing at the time.

I liked the film a lot, but it's not for everyone. Well, you know... Jim Jarmusch.

No idea where you'd find the game these days.