I think he meant "Look, over there...  really, look" actually.

Personally, I like the quoted use of "posse" and "has your back".  Which I take to be used as "I'm too good to use those dumbass terms myself, but you strike me as the sort who does" or somesuch.  Hell, I don't use those idiotic terms, but the quotated use still gives me a chuckle.

It's up there with "Oh fine, since you won't go away, and I can't refute you, "you win", even though we all know you don't."

Pfftp.  The sad truth is that if You can't see where you overtly implied (at the Very Least) exactly what you are accused of saying CantankerousSaltbeard, that that is just fucking pathetic given that you Wrote it.  You're not even good enough at this to be a bully, you're the sort that pushes smaller people in the bully's path so that you can strut around talking about how the bullies don't touch you, and the smaller people should learn to push someone.

Judo Master..  pfftp...

Quote from: CantankerousSaltbeardJust because your "posse" comes in and "has your back" does not mean that you are right.

You can quote no post in which I used the word "deserve" or even implied that it was the case.

Quote from: CantankerousSaltbeardNothing happens "in our high schools," it's individuals that don't know how to get along with others that have all these sob stories. They're weak, and so like in any social environment, they're either ignored or their weakness is taken advantage of. It's not the system, it's them, and they just don't want to own up to it.

Quote from: CantankerousSaltbeardSome people whine about the world being unfair, some people mold the world to their liking. I suppose it's just a fundamental difference that can't be explained. I'll leave y'all to your whining.

How's that?

QuoteI'm not backpedaling, you're attempting to steam roll me, but just like the judo master, I am able to use your attempts against you.

Wow. The Judo Master?

QuoteIf you all had learned judo, perhaps you would not have suffered such indignities at your schools.

Ah, we have the Judo-Bully, ladies and gentlemen.

"I learned Judo, so I didn't get picked on."

Well, Slappy, niether did I.

But, like your posts show, you're a bully at heart who makes excuses.

Well, *I* know Judo helped me out, AND I think it could help all of you out, too. I think you are probably still picked on now, and lack some self-confidence, but the Judo training that I HAVE received has made my mind as sharp of a killing machine as my body, and THAT experience is amazing. The confidence that you can kick the ASS of the weaker person makes it so that you don't always HAVE to do that in order to maintain your superiority. AND occasionally the weaker person will learn from you and start to make HIMSELF better. That is helping others, even if it is a hard lesson for some to learn.

Quote from: CantankerousSaltbeard[QUOTE], but the Judo training that I HAVE received has made my mind as sharp of a killing machine as my body, and THAT experience is amazing.

Riiiiiiight, you read too many Steven Seagal (sp) interviews.

QuoteThe confidence that you can kick the ASS of the weaker person makes it so that you don't always HAVE to do that in order to maintain your superiority.

You are kidding right ? Emphasis mineThis part is a typo right? I mean, I learnt martial arts to protect myself from stronger people, kicking the asses of weaker people I could do without training, that is, if bullying was a sport I indulged in.

QuoteAND occasionally the weaker person will learn from you and start to make HIMSELF better. That is helping others, even if it is a hard lesson for some to learn.

How old are you?

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David R

Quote from: CantankerousSaltbeard

Riiiiiiight, you read too many Steven Seagal (sp) interviews.



You are kidding right ? [IEmphasis mine[/I]This part is a typo right? I mean, I learnt martial arts to protect myself from stronger people, kicking the asses of weaker people I could do without training, that is, if bullying was a sport I indulged in.



How old are you?

Regards,
David R

Thank you for YOUR regards, David R. My age is not important to this issue, what I prefer to think about is my ABILITY to defend and project my self-worth. That is what really matters in this world, whether you are in school trying to not be bullied or in WORK trying to get that slick promotion.

That is good that you learned martial arts, BUT why not admit it gives you power over those of less size and skill of you? It should not make YOU uncomfortable that you can kick some ass.

I do not know of ANY Steven Seagal interviews, but if you have some I would like to read them...he is my favorite martial artist. I have seen all of his movies, and there's just so much confidence in his maneuvers...that's what I'm talking about. If bullies didn't have targets, they wouldn't be able to bully.

Quote from: CantankerousSaltbeardMy age is not important to this issue

Perhaps not, but it would be interesting to know.

Quote from: CantankerousSaltbeardThank you for YOUR regards, David R. My age is not important to this issue, what I prefer to think about is my ABILITY to defend and project my self-worth. That is what really matters in this world, whether you are in school trying to not be bullied or in WORK trying to get that slick promotion.

Okay, my post could have done without the attempts at sarcasm.

QuoteThat is good that you learned martial arts, BUT why not admit it gives you power over those of less size and skill of you?

Because it does not give me any power over those of less size and skill. All it has ever done, is give me confidence to act when attacked by people who think that they have some power over those of lesser size and maybe skill.

QuoteIt should not make YOU uncomfortable that you can kick some ass.

No, it makes me very uncomfortable....real life violence always does. I would rather flee(if alone) then to resort to violence. If someone else was attacked of course I would intervene.

QuoteIf bullies didn't have targets, they wouldn't be able to bully.

That's kind of like saying, "if rapists didn't have targets, they wouldn't be able to rape".

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David ROkay, my post could have done without the attempts at sarcasm.

No man, your post had just the right amount of sarcasm.  

Quote from: CantankerousSaltbeardThank you for YOUR regards, David R. My age is not important to this issue, what I prefer to think about is my ABILITY to defend and project my self-worth. That is what really matters in this world, whether you are in school trying to not be bullied or in WORK trying to get that slick promotion.

Well, not the most agile of dodges there, CSb.  Maybe another Segal movie will teach you the cat-like swiftness to avoid a point you require.
Okay, so you don't want to tell your age (it's amazing though, as the thread progresses, I swear your age decreases, judging by behavior and posts alone).  Although half a point for the lame attempt at some kind of Zen answer there "Age does not make one great, my ally is the Judo, and a powerful ally it is".  Sweet, really.  I was touched and shit.

Quote from: David RBecause it does not give me any power over those of less size and skill. All it has ever done, is give me confidence to act when attacked by people who think that they have some power over those of lesser size and maybe skill.

CSb seems to have missed the rather upfront and monstrously obvious point you made before that no one needs to study martial arts to kick the ass of someone weaker and/or less skilled.  That's kind of the entire point of it.  Martial Arts study is to arm yourself against those who are not weaker, or slower, or less skilled than yourself.
Not that I'd chose Judo for fuck's sake.  I mean jesus, at least have some taste in martial arts.  Me, I studied Shotokan, not that it ever affected anything, but it was fun.  Comically, I came out of it with the knowledge that at least up to the third belt rank, they weren't teaching anything I didn't know when I was a kid.  So, there ya go.  But damn, Judo?

Quote from: David RThat's kind of like saying, "if rapists didn't have targets, they wouldn't be able to rape".

Actually, it's exactly like saying that.

Well the rapist argument IS true. There are always men who´ll rape IF given the opportunity. It´s part of [some!] human´s nature.
The same with bullying.
Which doesn´t make the deed better, but it´ll happen, no matter what the SYSTEM tries to. Whe have a thing called civilization to safe us from the most violent strings of human desires. It´s civilizations and governments whole point:

Stop the free for all! (Hobbes; free-form)

Not by re-education, that´ll never work.
By ye goode olde fashioned force, or the threat of force. All political power comes from the business end of a rifle. For a reason.

So saying: "Defend yourself" is a big bullshit argument, as it is against the whole point of civilization and government.

Whining about bullies is showing weak character, but blaming the system for not DEFENDING is correct, indeed. Blaming the SYSTEM for the EXISTENCE of bullies or rapist is plain dumb and a-historical.

Quote from: WolvorineAlthough half a point for the lame attempt at some kind of Zen answer there "Age does not make one great, my ally is the Judo, and a powerful ally it is".  Sweet, really.  I was touched and shit.

:heh:

Where is rep when you need it?

Rep?

(What, I fess when I'm clueless!  )

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Where is rep when you need it?

Yes, that was a VERY clever thing to say, AND I'm glad that he has recognized the philosophy in my philosophy.

It's not about beating up the weak, it's about not being beaten up. If someone doesn't take measures to MAKE themselves stronger, how can they expect not to be on the short end of the stick?

I do NOT condone bullying or raping, but I think people need to take responsibility for themselves. When the woman dresses like a whore and goes drinking and drugging at a party, she's not acting responsibly or in her best interests, and if bad things happen, she must LEARN from the experience and become a better person.

Quote from: Wolvorine(What, I fess when I'm clueless!  )

NO need...your posts do JUST fine.

Just a bit of humour to bring levity.

Quote from: CantankerousSaltbeardIt's not about beating up the weak, it's about not being beaten up. If someone doesn't take measures to MAKE themselves stronger, how can they expect not to be on the short end of the stick?

I do NOT condone bullying or raping, but I think people need to take responsibility for themselves. When the woman dresses like a whore and goes drinking and drugging at a party, she's not acting responsibly or in her best interests, and if bad things happen, she must LEARN from the experience and become a better person.

Oh booooyyyy....

:popcorn:

Quote from: CantankerousSaltbeardI do NOT condone bullying or raping, but I think people need to take responsibility for themselves. When the woman dresses like a whore and goes drinking and drugging at a party, she's not acting responsibly or in her best interests, and if bad things happen, she must LEARN from the experience and become a better person.

Emphasis mine. What the hell is the matter with you? Is this what you do for fun. Post nonsense like this. I'm not even going to continue with this conversation,because you seem, to be getting more immature with each post...although immature may not be the right term to describe your pathology.

Regards,
David R