Quote from: TrevelyanAnd where better than Punditville to do just that?

That's why I'm here; well, that and the chicks.

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They have a player on this page you can use to listen to it, or search for it in iTunes.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/arch/pod

Quote from: StuartThey have a player on this page you can use to listen to it, or search for it in iTunes.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/arch/pod

Cheers.

Quote from: AosThat's why I'm here; well, that and the chicks.

But are the chicks prone to knee jerk WotC hate? Might take the shine off them a little :deflated:

Quote from: StuartFrom the Podcast:

Noonan(?): "A lot of people have quickly moved through denial and anger -- although there are still some in Anger -- a lot of people are into bargaining now, and that's ok!  Because frankly we can't give you acceptance until May 2008, so take your time with the bargaining phase -- that's OK!"

The Kübler-Ross Grief cycle is Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Testing and finally Acceptance.  

Grief?

:confused:

Grief seems as fitting a model as any other to follow for the people that don't like a new system.

Quote from: James McMurrayGrief seems as fitting a model as any other to follow for the people that don't like a new system.

That's exactly my point.  It's feeding into the "you're not going to like this" vibe.  

They'd be better to just stay upbeat, excited, and ship a fun game in the Spring.

He's not saying "you're not going to like this." He's saying "there are people that don't like this." For him to say otherwise would require either oblivious ignorance of the truth, out outright lying.

I'd be interested to compare the viewpoints of people who read his posts. Do the ones that feel slighted already dislike 4e, while the ones that like what they've heard about 4e think he's just being up front? In other words, how much is tied to what he's saying and how much is projection?

Quote from: James McMurrayHe's not saying "you're not going to like this." He's saying "there are people that don't like this." For him to say otherwise would require either oblivious ignorance of the truth, out outright lying.

I'd be interested to compare the viewpoints of people who read his posts. Do the ones that feel slighted already dislike 4e, while the ones that like what they've heard about 4e think he's just being up front? In other words, how much is tied to what he's saying and how much is projection?

I know what he wants to say -- I just continue to be bemused by the way in which WotC is handling the 4e announcement.

I don't feel slighted at all.  I spent exactly $0 on 3.x.
I think 4e will be a fun game.  It will be a different game, but that's ok.
That doesn't stop me from thinking the PR around the 4e announcement has been very, very strange.

Quote from: StuartI know what he wants to say -- I just continue to be bemused by the way in which WotC is handling the 4e announcement.

I don't feel slighted at all.  I spent exactly $0 on 3.x.
I think 4e will be a fun game.  It will be a different game, but that's ok.
That doesn't stop me from thinking the PR around the 4e announcement has been very, very strange.

Yeah, but on the other hand, the 4e announcement was going to make a lot of people angry, really angry, no matter what.  I think being nice about it would be akin to painting flowers and smiley faces on a nuclear warhead.
Anyway, its more entertaining this way.

Quote from: James McMurrayHe's not saying "you're not going to like this." He's saying "there are people that don't like this." For him to say otherwise would require either oblivious ignorance of the truth, out outright lying.

Or he could (and should) just say nothing.

We all know there are people who don't like it. But the decision has already been made - there WILL be a 4th Edition. For him to come out with an awkwardly worded blog post that could (and has been) "misinterpreted" was unnecessary and has backfired a bit.

Next time, he should keep his thoughts to himself. That's the nature of the Corporate world. Don't say ANYTHING that can be misinterpreted by ANYONE. Stick to facts and progress reports. You're the face of the Company; you have no opinions when you are discussing their Product.

Welcome to the World of the Real.

Quote from: AosThat's why I'm here; well, that and the chicks.

Chicks?!

Link plz!

-O

Quote from: James McMurrayI'd be interested to compare the viewpoints of people who read his posts. Do the ones that feel slighted already dislike 4e, while the ones that like what they've heard about 4e think he's just being up front? In other words, how much is tied to what he's saying and how much is projection?

I think that results of that would be very revealing, but I doubt the ability of every poster to be entirely honest about their feelings on the matter, even to themselves. Clearly there are some people who are quite open in their scepticism over 4E, but I suspect that there are a whole lot more who may harbour doubts and react negatively to otherwise neutral press material, and fear the worst in any situation rather than give the designers the benefit of the doubt.

That benefit of the doubt issue is what interests me. Most of the information we have been given regarding 4E has been deliberately patchy, yet how many people have been quick to interpret vague comments in the worst and more game destroying light? The reaction to the online game support material was similar - clearly it is not a complete game, only a tool for connecting disparate groups as the earliest information in the GENCON presentation explained, yet many people saw computers and jumped for the WoW hate without passing "Go" or collecting £200. Yet so many of these people insist that they are just being practical or impartial.

What is it that drives so many alleged fans of a hobby/game to assume the worst?

Quote from: TrevelyanWhat is it that drives so many alleged fans of a hobby/game to assume the worst?

Fear of change?

Quote from: AosYeah, but on the other hand, the 4e announcement was going to make a lot of people angry, really angry, no matter what.  I think being nice about it would be akin to painting flowers and smiley faces on a nuclear warhead.
Anyway, its more entertaining this way.

Why?

Just to make it clear - why was the 4th Edition announcement going to "make a lot of people angry, really angry, no matter what?"

Quote from: James McMurray

Quote from: TrevelyanWhat is it that drives so many alleged fans of a hobby/game to assume the worst?

Fear of change?

Cynicism?