Fuck you too, Wizards. Fuck you too.

Gunslinger · September 11, 2007, 05:14:03 AM

Here's hoping that if 4th ed. fails, that the D&D license is bought out by Vivid Entertainment. I need a corporate model I can believe in with a cool magazine subscription and online support.

Drew · September 11, 2007, 05:17:38 AM

Quote from: GunslingerHere's hoping that if 4th ed. fails, that the D&D license is bought out by Vivid Entertainment. I need a corporate model I can believe in with a cool magazine subscription and online support.

The mind boggles at the potential applications of 'D&D Inside Her'...

Melan · September 11, 2007, 08:26:30 AM

Frankly, while I dislike the ideas, individual elements and attitude of 4e, I would rather read blunt opinions from developers than press release talk. Game publishing should be personal, passionate and occasionally polarising - not the thing of "focus groups" this and "you hurt my e-feelings" that. What we need is people like Gary Gyax and G. M. Skarka and, yes, Justin Achilli, not Mr. Corporate 22.

jrients · September 11, 2007, 08:51:41 AM

You had me up until Achilli. I've never met the guy, but his online persona has half the charisma and none of the intelligence of Skarka or Gygax. Grontar: The Frutang was a hoot, I'll grant.

obryn · September 11, 2007, 09:23:31 AM

Quote from: J ArcaneNo, what's condescending is the attitude of "we don't care what the fuck you like or don't like about 4e, we're gonna do whatever the fuck we want, and there's nothing you ignorant peons can do about it."

He's essentially saying "We don't care about you, we don't care what you want, so just shut the fuck up and take it."

This is not a healthy attitude to take towards your customers.

Wow. I completely didn't get that from the quote.

Only a very, very skewed reading can interpret that as "We don't care what you want to see in 4e."

It's saying that 4e's coming, whether you like it or not... Which we knew, last I checked. Or did you think a bunch of message board whining would halt its development?

-O

Blackleaf · September 11, 2007, 10:05:31 AM

Dave Noonan is the other half of the WotC D&D Podcast with Mike Mearls. He sees like a clever, articulate, and likeable guy.

Zachary The First · September 11, 2007, 10:24:52 AM

Yeah, you know, he expressed himself pretty poorly, and he apologized for it. So long as it doesn't become habit, I'd say let it go.

jrients · September 11, 2007, 10:37:22 AM

Quote from: Zachary The FirstYeah, you know, he expressed himself pretty poorly, and he apologized for it. So long as it doesn't become habit, I'd say let it go.

Agreed.

Blackleaf · September 11, 2007, 10:42:03 AM

Speaking of which -- new episode of the D&D podcast just arrived! 4E Q&A... oooooo :eek:

Dr Rotwang! · September 11, 2007, 10:46:44 AM

LIBRARY DATA

Clouds: The things my Traveller PCs fly over.

Drew · September 11, 2007, 10:48:07 AM

Quote from: StuartSpeaking of which -- new episode of the D&D podcast just arrived! 4E Q&A... oooooo :eek:

Link?

Blackleaf · September 11, 2007, 10:52:59 AM

From the Podcast:

Noonan(?): "A lot of people have quickly moved through denial and anger -- although there are still some in Anger -- a lot of people are into bargaining now, and that's ok! Because frankly we can't give you acceptance until May 2008, so take your time with the bargaining phase -- that's OK!"

The Kübler-Ross Grief cycle is Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Testing and finally Acceptance.

Grief?

:confused:

Trevelyan · September 11, 2007, 10:57:03 AM

Like a minority of posters on this thread, I read nothing more into the blog entry than Dave has since clarified was his original intent to convey.

It seems to me that accusations of patronising attitudes towards fans on the part of WotC say more about the accuser than the accused. And the fact that the original entry was cut short in the OP (and presumably the post on ENWorld) so as to incude the sections saying that nothing can advance or delay the arrival of 4E, but ommit the passage saying that playing 3.5 and offering feedback might still influence the final product supports that assumption. Some people are just looking for something to complain about.

Aos · September 11, 2007, 10:58:44 AM

Quote from: TrevelyanLike a minority of posters on this thread, I read nothing more into the blog entry than Dave has since clarified was his original intent to convey.

It seems to me that accusations of patronising attitudes towards fans on the part of WotC say more about the accuser than the accused.

At this point, all you can really do is sit back and enjoy the hysteria.

Trevelyan · September 11, 2007, 11:00:11 AM

Quote from: AosAt this point, all you can really do is sit back and enjoy the hysteria.

And where better than Punditville to do just that?