Quote from: thedungeondelver;421259If this is people bullying someone then I was a target of the CIA, FBI, Manson Family, Trilateral Commission, the Symbionese Liberation Army, al-Qaida and the Mossad in this thread.  And I wasn't.  And this isn't.

As that thread taught us all so well, the real bully here is Bruce Wayne.

Those damn daily powers and 'once every encounter powers' have done more to over-complicate what once was a playable game than anything else I can think of.

MMOS?
 Keep their mechanics and slang terminology in the damn machines where they belong.


- Ed C.

I rather enjoyed a game of Dogs in the Vineyard that I was able to play in. I didn't grasp all of the mechanics (it certainly isn't typical) but it was a fun game session run by a good GM. While it was quite different from other games that I have played before, it was still a good experience at the table. And we were role playing....

Now I don't give a crap about the Forge or Pundit's proclaimed crusade against it. I'm all about having fun at the table and enabling others to have the same opportunity. If a game is fun, then I really don't care if it is similar to an MMORPG, has any Forge "influences," or is supposedly belongs in some category called "story games."

Koltar, I see you bash DitV quite frequently. Have you ever actually tried a game of it?

So, you're suggesting I try a game that mocks a religion and bashes my relatives?

Cute Paladinca.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;421275Those damn daily powers and 'once every encounter powers' have done more to over-complicate what once was a playable game than anything else I can think of.

- Ed C.

You can dislike the power cards and the approach of daily, encounter, and at-will (hell I don't care for it that much either), but to say that this complicates D&D? No way.

My wife recently told me that she prefers 4e over Pathfinder. Why? Because the power cards and format make it easier for her to learn the game. She said "D&D 4e feels dumbed down enough" for her to grasp it easily. Pathfinder was much more complicated for her when she tried it.

Now I don't particularly care for the way 4e does some things, but it is very easy for a newbie to grasp, in large part due to the color-coded power cards and flavor text found on them. The flavor text makes me shudder, but my wife loves it. It helps her get into her character, and so it works for her. If D&D 4e had to be her entry point into the hobby, I can live with that. She can always learn other games later.

Logan's Run got it right.  Old people suck and won't be missed.

Quote from: Imperator;421198So you are not defending the cause of Wholesome All-American RPGs, you are looking like a fucking inbred Amish yelling because electricity is the work of Satan.

We have this problem in the OSR.  And unless the OSR succeeds in drawing in lots of fresh blood to counter the "D&D Purists", the OSR will fumble and diminish.  Every "renaissance" needs fresh ideas, creativity and open minds to flourish.

Quote from: two_fishes;421244Hm, jalapeno-flavoured reese's peanut butter cups... I bet those'd be yummy.

Cayenne Pepper + Peanut Butter + Chocolate = Roxxors!

Never tried jalapenos in a dessert.   I might try a PB / Dark Choc / Jala milkshake since pureed, the jalas would be fully blended with the Dark Choc.

Quote from: Koltar;421281So, you're suggesting I try a game that mocks a religion and bashes my relatives?

Cute Paladinca.


- Ed C.

I'm LDS Ed (Born and raised - even related to a Prophet). Your indignation over DitV has zero merit.

Dogs in the Vineyard has about as much to do with the real LDS people as Legend of the Five Rings does with historical Japan.

Quote from: Koltar;421275Those damn daily powers and 'once every encounter powers' have done more to over-complicate what once was a playable game than anything else I can think of.

MMOS?
 Keep their mechanics and slang terminology in the damn machines where they belong.


- Ed C.

4e is way more simple than 3e, Ed. Waaaaaaaaaay more simple to run.

Also, the machine comment is pure Amish glory:

Amish Paradise

Quote from: Koltar;421281So, you're suggesting I try a game that mocks a religion and bashes my relatives?

Cute Paladinca.


- Ed C.

The game is not about mocking anyone, Ed. Your rage is misdirected.

Quote from: PaladinCA;421294I'm LDS Ed (Born and raised - even related to a Prophet). Your indignation over DitV has zero merit.

Dogs in the Vineyard has about as much to do with the real LDS people as Legends of the Five Rings does with historical Japan.

I'm not LDS but I lived in Utah when I got the game, and having read it and played it, I came away with a very favorable impression of the Dogs and the religion of the "default" setting of the game. I know the story is that Baker hates the religion he was brought up in and it somehow influenced the game, but I don't really see it - maybe I'm just blind to the subversive message of the game? All I can say is that (as an outsider) every Mormon I've talked with has been a uniformly pleasant person. (Sure, they aren't all that way, but I can only speak to that which I know - I'm sure there are some Southern-Baptist-Grade a-holes down at the local Wardhouse).

I think people tend to over-play the "total authority to do whatever is necessary" and read that as "fucking insane religious fanatics wiping out unbelievers". Well yeah, so are Paladins in D&D - but who really plays them that way? (I do, when I want to be a dick, but that's maybe once in a decade.) When I was a Dog, we handled the problem in town with fairness and in a level-headed manner (well, as much as you can when fighting demons), and I think that's how it would mostly go. Sure, someone got hurt (not physically, but emotionally) but that was a consequence of their actions, not the justice of the Church. We just revealed it and put it out there to be dealt with. Sure, sure, I know that you COULD do the guns a-blazin' solution too, but actually there ARE consequences if you do. It pays to work it out in a more mature manner. But make no mistake, the default assumption of the game isn't just venal human emotions fucking up a pleasant little religious community - you ARE fighting actual demonic forces, and as such sometimes you need to kick some ass.

Read the game, Ed, it won't hurt ya. I think you trust my judgement, somewhat, and I think it is a pretty decent game overall.

Quote from: Spinachcat;421293Logan's Run got it right.  Old people suck and won't be missed.

For all old people who in fact, do not suck I say fuck you.

Quote from: Koltar;421281So, you're suggesting I try a game that mocks a religion and bashes my relatives?

Cute Paladinca.


- Ed C.

I guess you wouldn't be able to be Catholic or have Catholic relatives without having an aneurysm.

Then again, modern Catholics are a little more pragmatic.

Quote from: Spinachcat;421293Logan's Run got it right.  Old people suck and won't be missed.

Sure. Amazing how fast this attitude goes away when age catches up with you.

Anyway, it's not the years, it's the attitude.

I'll echo what the others said. I got no mockery of or hate against Mormons from reading DitV, and certainly not from the the "DitV mechanics" you dislike so much. It's pretty far from "All About Mormons"

Quote from: Spinachcat;421293Cayenne Pepper + Peanut Butter + Chocolate = Roxxors!

Never tried jalapenos in a dessert.   I might try a PB / Dark Choc / Jala milkshake since pureed, the jalas would be fully blended with the Dark Choc.

Traditionalists often ignore the fact that spiced chocolates hearken right back to the earliest roots of the hobby.

Quote from: Imperator;421304The game is not about mocking anyone, Ed. Your rage is misdirected.

Sorry to appear to be defending Ed's nerdrage, but didn't its own author once say that DitV was written because he used to be Mormon and hated the experience?