Quote from: Benoist;422538Too much hair-splitting. Not enough forehead fucking.

Quote from: Cole;422542Commissioner, turn on the Aos-signal!

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Quote from: Aos;422606Wait! Think of the Children!

Quote from: Cole;422612Ah, Fuck 'em.

Right in their stupid foreheads.

:rotfl:
oh the humanity....

Quote from: skofflox;422887:rotfl:
oh the humanity....

My legacy is secure.

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AWESOME (note the smiles on Batman & co.!?kinda maniacal)


total hilarity
thats a big part of why I love this site,all the free (sanity asides) entertainment allong with great RPG discussion/play!
carry on men...

I'm passing this page around to friends....

My belly hurts from laughing. I have an ouchie.

Quote from: Peregrin;422556I'm not referring to retail outlets, what I'm referring to is the cultural inclusion of all mediums of gaming in popular geek culture.  For most people, there is no longer "console gamer", "PC gamer", "tabletop gamer", there are just "gamers."

That hasn't been my experience at all...
When a video game junkie says 'gamer' he means other computer game players... it doesn't include TTRPGs any more than it does old ladies playing Canasta.
Same for wargamers and roleplayers (and gamblers in my neck of the woods)... they all use the term 'gamer' but they are only referring to their own little corner... even though all the RPGers I know play computer games and boardgames.
They're all playing games, but that's about it for shared mindset.

Quote from: Simlasa;422908That hasn't been my experience at all...
When a video game junkie says 'gamer' he means other computer game players... it doesn't include TTRPGs any more than it does old ladies playing Canasta.
Same for wargamers and roleplayers (and gamblers in my neck of the woods)... they all use the term 'gamer' but they are only referring to their own little corner... even though all the RPGers I know play computer games and boardgames.
They're all playing games, but that's about it for shared mindset.

same here in my neck o' the woods...

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;422631You must live a very unhappy life; all I've ever seen from you is going back and forth alternating between misery, contempt and resentment. I mean.. is that fun? are you happy?

I should probably just ignore you.  But I will blame the lack of sleep I have had the last few days and reply.

Am I happy?  Obviously not dude.  Especially not in the holidays.  And you given your usual mixture of passive aggressive trolling and near corporate speak worship of 4e just found me in particular ill spirits.

Except see, the way you bandy about 4e is rather obnoxious, elitist, and ridiculously fanboyish.

I very nearly even didn't bother checking out Red Box Essentials just because the way you act about the game is so terrible you do to 4e what RPGnet does to Exalted:  In your absurd levels of blind love and adoration you send people screaming the other direction, if just out of some form of childish spite!

Now I as is my wont try to look at a product from all sides, the good AND the bad.  And I have found 4e at least in its slightly more streamlined and balanced form to be not bad for what it is.

Which isn't an RPG but is a quasi RPG.  A Braunstein if you will.  Its like Final Fantasy Tactics, Disgaea, X Com, ect.  There is a persistent story and characters who advance, but the game design basically encourages powergaming, rules crunch, and such.

It is probably superior to 3.x in this regard being far more streamlined and organized than 3.x which was an unhappy mixture of 1-2nd ed AD&D and what 4e is.

I saw it in a still highly regarded campaign I ran.  For almost everyone it was not about who your character WAS, but WHAT THEY CAN DO.

And 4e continues this trend and even someone like me who even won an award for best roleplayer at a LARP of all things tends to mostly forget about RPing and goes for the rules and killy in 4e.  (Obviously Encounters is more encouraging of the wargame aspect.  A good group and good GM could do solid RPing with the game, but honestly it wouldn't have fuck all to do with the system itself.  Ive gotten good RP bits out of machine sheet games before.)

Of course there are flaws like the ridiculously huge numbers everything inflates to, and the silly levels of powers and abilities that make DMing after the mid teen levels a logistical NIGHTMARE.  I mean come on!  My Essential Thief at 2nd level with an At Will Move Power has Combat Advantage against anything on the map adjacent to an ally.  Which means at 2nd level she has a +11 to hit, doing 1d8+2d6+8 damage, with an extra +1 if the baddie isnt adjacent to any of its bros, and another +2 if its Bloodied due to a magic item.  And if its within 5 squares her Encounter power adds another +3 to hit and another D6 damage.

THATS SILLY.  And one kid's Barbarian did nearly 90 damage in one turn!  AT FIRST LEVEL.

The design really does encourage such things, and all the powers and whatnot almost seem designed to get you to subscribe to DDi because its just so much easier to make a character and have all the rules right there on the sheet.  

The adventure design all seems based around these setpiece fights as opposed to doing some Role Playing as well.

If this game was a computer or console SRPG I would probably enjoy the hell out of it, but come on Maw.  You can't possibly defend your level of worship over the game, or your tendency to "NYAH NYAH!  ITS POPULAR SO EITHER JOIN MY CULT OR DONT GAME AT ALL HAH HAH AREN'T I LUCKY?"

You sound like a guy bragging how much sex he is having even though he mostly aims for drunk fat chicks because they will almost guarantee to put out.

I am probably angrier and grouchier than I have any need to be.  I try to avoid taking the antidepressants for too long a period.

But can you possibly see your issues?  (Unless you are just trolling then of which I will admit you got me and WELL PLAYED.)

Now as to me coming off like a douche about gaming IRL?  I really don't think I do.  I mean, I even bake goodies for the game groups I have run with, and tend to be the guy to help clean up no matter where I have gamed at.  A person's home, stores, cons, ect.  

Hell, I put other people's shopping carts away at the local markets!  (People taking a minute to do this themselves?  HAHAHA!)

I mean, does this poster sound negative and douchey at all?



Howabout this one?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_q_Vs2c3zfkY/S6MDB6vWLUI/AAAAAAAAAG8/R4oajuOjoRc/s1600-h/Playwant.png

I don't think you can really say these posters come off as me angry or dickish at all.  Yet.. no replies.  And another one a friend made?  Also no replies.

As I have mentioned other people seem to have about the same luck I do.

Quote from: Captain Rufus;423240I don't think you can really say these posters come off as me angry or dickish at all.  Yet.. no replies.  And another one a friend made?  Also no replies.

I hate to say it, but if I were to be looking over a notice board in a student union, game shop, etc., the last paragraph of your flyer would read to me as "My last gaming group ended due to DRAMA and I am so fixated on DRAMA that I cannot even resist talking about it in the flyer so be well aware that if you join this group there WILL be DRAMA."

Quote from: Captain Rufus;423240I very nearly even didn't bother checking out Red Box Essentials just because the way you act about the game is so terrible you do to 4e what RPGnet does to Exalted:  In your absurd levels of blind love and adoration you send people screaming the other direction, if just out of some form of childish spite!

Actually what you characterize as "blind love and adoration" is just appreciation and enjoyment. It is controversial here, but really - a moment of objectivity here- it isn't controversial in itself.

The Castlevania campaign sounds very cool.

I have no idea why you aren't getting more interest, but one thing I might try to do is actually pick a night of the week and say "this Thursday, 7PM, I'm running it.." and actually send out direct invites. With a poster you get people who read it and might be interested, but might not think about it when it comes time. If you set an exact date and time, you have a better chance of running it.

My second idea- how we started the group where we play: The first time I did it- we had two people show up, but we ran anyway, and the next time it was 4, and then pretty soon we had 7 players (which is enough for two tables- one 3 person and one 4 person). And luckily we got someone else in to DM. It's grown ever since. So even if you just get one, I would go ahead and run it, and plan the next one at the same time and place if I could.

Also: I'd advertise here:
http://www.enworld.org/forum/gamers-seeking-gamers/
and here:
http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/view/75850/135146/us:_east_of_the_mississippi

A quick search on "CT" in that forum reveals this:
http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/search?blogID=37034611&categoryID=75850&forumID=135146&terms=CT&searchLevel=forum


Note - you don't have to be playing or planning 4e to use any of those forums.
Good luck!

Quote from: Cole;423321I hate to say it, but if I were to be looking over a notice board in a student union, game shop, etc., the last paragraph of your flyer would read to me as "My last gaming group ended due to DRAMA and I am so fixated on DRAMA that I cannot even resist talking about it in the flyer so be well aware that if you join this group there WILL be DRAMA."

I didn't get that sense but it might be a good idea to simply say something like, "The group that I'd been playing with since 2001 stopped playing due to real-life obligations for many of the players," rather than the "evil REAL LIFE thing that broke up a group."  I personally took the "evil REAL LIFE thing" as tongue-in-cheek but I could see how some other people might take it as "I put gaming first" and "broke up" can imply something a bit more contentious than "we stopped playing".  Making that bit a little more low-key might help.

Quote from: John Morrow;423330I didn't get that sense but it might be a good idea to simply say something like, "The group that I'd been playing with since 2001 stopped playing due to real-life obligations for many of the players," rather than the "evil REAL LIFE thing that broke up a group."  I personally took the "evil REAL LIFE thing" as tongue-in-cheek but I could see how some other people might take it as "I put gaming first" and "broke up" can imply something a bit more contentious than "we stopped playing".  Making that bit a little more low-key might help.

Mentioning it to begin with just sounds a little off, as if the poster is trying to make some sort of excuse. I liken it to meeting a girl, saying "That's interesting. I really like baroque music too. Would you like to get coffee sometimes? I recently broke up with my ex-girlfriend, nobody's fault or anything, it just happens." Nothing offensive in the statement, but it's kind of odd to bring it up.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;423324The Castlevania campaign sounds very cool.

I have no idea why you aren't getting more interest, but one thing I might try to do is actually pick a night of the week and say "this Thursday, 7PM, I'm running it.." and actually send out direct invites. With a poster you get people who read it and might be interested, but might not think about it when it comes time. If you set an exact date and time, you have a better chance of running it.

This is good advice. I find that with friends and strangers alike, people respond better to a concrete "let's do this thing, at this time."

I do agree that the Castlevania idea behind the campaign is an interesting one - it would draw my attention to the flyer and theoretically I'd enjoy playing a game in that setting.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;423324Actually what you characterize as "blind love and adoration" is just appreciation and enjoyment. It is controversial here, but really - a moment of objectivity here- it isn't controversial in itself.

The Castlevania campaign sounds very cool.

I have no idea why you aren't getting more interest, but one thing I might try to do is actually pick a night of the week and say "this Thursday, 7PM, I'm running it.." and actually send out direct invites. With a poster you get people who read it and might be interested, but might not think about it when it comes time. If you set an exact date and time, you have a better chance of running it.

My second idea- how we started the group where we play: The first time I did it- we had two people show up, but we ran anyway, and the next time it was 4, and then pretty soon we had 7 players (which is enough for two tables- one 3 person and one 4 person). And luckily we got someone else in to DM. It's grown ever since. So even if you just get one, I would go ahead and run it, and plan the next one at the same time and place if I could.

Also: I'd advertise here:
http://www.enworld.org/forum/gamers-seeking-gamers/
and here:
http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/view/75850/135146/us:_east_of_the_mississippi

A quick search on "CT" in that forum reveals this:
http://community.wizards.com/go/forum/search?blogID=37034611&categoryID=75850&forumID=135146&terms=CT&searchLevel=forum


Note - you don't have to be playing or planning 4e to use any of those forums.
Good luck!

This is awsome.  Well done, AM.  This is the side of AM that I respect and appreciate.  Seriously, I mean it.  You had a choice to respond in a dickish way and have a fight, but you chose to respond positively.  I honestly appreciate your advice about gaming, gaming, organizations, and gaming groups.