Quote from: Imperator;421653Many people feels that GURPS is a piece of shit designed by and for people with OCD that needs to catalogue everything, and no one says that GURPS is not a real RPG because we didn't have such an amount of rules for vehicles back in the day.

I'll say it. GURPS IS NOT A ROLE-PLAYING GAME.

Quote from: BWA;422029I'll say it. GURPS IS NOT A ROLE-PLAYING GAME.

As the name says, it's role playing system. Whereas a game....

Aw, I'm just fuckin' with ya.

Quote from: BWA;422029I'll say it. GURPS IS NOT A ROLE-PLAYING GAME.

You wouldn't know - you're not an RPG-er.
 Says so right in your user subtitle.


- Ed C.

Quote from: BWA;422029I'll say it. GURPS IS NOT A ROLE-PLAYING GAME.

Well, of course it's not. It's a tactical miniatures game.

Quote from: Thanlis;422033Well, of course it's not. It's a tactical miniatures game.

Now, now , don't go off on a Fantasy Trip . You might start a Melee.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;422034Now, now , don't go off on a Fantasy Trip . You might start a Melee.


- Ed C.

Ed, you're a wizard at this.

Quote from: Cole;422037Ed, you're a wizard at this.

Yeah, sometimes.
 Kind of matured out of being an OGRE at a Truck Stop.

(Its rough in the Midwest when the Illuminati try to FRAG the Battle Cows while the Revolution  by Nanuk is going on....)


- Ed C.

Quote from: John Morrow;421689And when those communities disappear because all of the people have decided it's easier to play World of Warcraft or want to play a game you can't stand, instead?  Role-playing is a social hobby that requires other people to play and while you may not have a problem finding or making new players and while there will always be some small number of people who keep the hobby going in some form (just as wargaming never entirely died), it's going to make things more difficult for a lot of people if they can't find people to play with and can't buy game material for the sort of games that they want to play.  It's also going to impact people if their group breaks up over it.

There is probably good stuff after this but YES on this.

I am getting to the point where I am ready to quit buying gaming stuff and possibly give up on gaming with other people its become so hard to find a group.  If it wasn't for a once yearly con and D&D Encounters I am not sure I would have done much of ANYTHING for gaming the last 6 months outside of a couple pickup games that never got a single person to play what we were playing.

People don't seem interested in finding groups at all.  I mean, I even bought into D&D Essentials I was so desperate to get an RPG group going.

Its all been an utter failure.  Nobody on player finders, nobody on forums, nobody through Player's Wanted posters, nobody through store Yahoo groups or Facebook pages.

Either people only want to play with a select group (which means as soon as the inevitabilities of real life take over as they did with my old group its OVER), or they only want to play one certain game in one certain style on one certain day and everyone else might as well not even EXIST.

And what happens?  Many people are looking for a game but can't find anyone to game with.  Maybe their friends aren't gamers.  In some cases people won't even MENTION being into nerdy stuff because the nature of their job and the people there would ostracize them and it would negatively impact their career!  (There was a thread about this a couple seasons back at Fear the Boot's forum.)  Heck, high school kids are EVIL to each other.  Do something the majority says is wrong and get found out and your ass will endure a LIVING HELL for it.

So folks can't find a game so why bother buying anything new or even bothering?

A videogame is always there provided the machine works and the power/internet isn't out as needed.

And we then lose more and more people due to clannish, antisocial, and ONE WAY ONLY douchebags.

Now add in those people whose games actually run people away.  You know, the guys whose campaigns all have massive amounts of Player vs Player killing, whose characters are lesbian Drow priestesses who eat eyeballs daily as a sacrifice to their god, the powergamers who look down on anyone who talks too much or too loud or whose army isn't painted and constructed to their tournament standard.  Or who spent 5000 bucks on the latest Magic set so they crush every other deck by turn 5 or clearly they didn't make it good enough.  The guys who yell at anyone whose arm even rests on their  8' 4' table with 4 2" long ships on it total.  The guys who run off any kids and teens by saying such vulgar and horrible things.  Who if they decide the kids' hygiene isn't good enough they spray them with air freshener. (These are all REAL events I have either seen or been told about.)

Why the hell would anyone want to even BOTHER?

And then if somehow you GET a good group going real life takes folks away or a new edition comes out and fragments everyone with some refusing to play the new version, and others refusing to play the OMG OOOOOLLD version that was perfectly fine until some beancounter said it was time to get a quick cash infusion.

Its sort of the same kind of reasons many people have stopped trying to find jobs or get into a meaningful romantic relationship.

You put all your heart and soul into it and get FUCK ALL BACK for doing so.  

If nobody else seems to give a fuck why should you?

Quote from: Captain Rufus;422042You put all your heart and soul into it and get FUCK ALL BACK for doing so.  

If nobody else seems to give a fuck why should you?

"Misery is the river of the world. Everybody row!"

I don't know what to tell you, man. Most people play games to bring some entertainment in life. If they're not doing so, maybe you do need a break before you can enjoy that again.

I've never had trouble finding a group to game with... on the other hand I've had a bit of trouble finding a group I WANTED to game with.
It's probably just me and my cranky aversion to... lots of things.

Quote from: Cole;422043"Misery is the river of the world. Everybody row!"

I don't know what to tell you, man. Most people play games to bring some entertainment in life. If they're not doing so, maybe you do need a break before you can enjoy that again.

Ive basically been on a break.

THATS THE FUCKING PROBLEM.

And look at many of the examples I listed.  If you were either a new potential gamer or one who was trying to get a group would you want to put up with any of that shit?

Probably not.  Its a lot faster to slap a disk into your game machine of choice and just kill some Radscorpions or Orcs in 5 minutes rather than try to go through all that work and hope someone will actually want to play and not be a freak or asshole.

Why spend hours reading rules and trying to find someone to fight Napoleon's Wars on a hex map when you can drop 30 bucks and download Commander: Napoleon at War and start playing within minutes and not have to worry about it?

Why paint dozens of Space Marines and drive to a shop in hopes of getting a game when you can grab Dawn of War 1 or 2 off Steam and watch Orks go splat for the Emperor and not have some asshole poo poo your paint job and army list?

Quote from: Captain Rufus;422052THATS THE FUCKING PROBLEM.

The best thing about gaming is the people you meet... the worst thing about gaming is... the people you meet.

Quote from: Simlasa;422053The best thing about gaming is the people you meet... the worst thing about gaming is... the people you meet.

Hell is other gamers.

Quote from: Simlasa;422053The best thing about gaming is the people you meet... the worst thing about gaming is... the people you meet.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;422055Hell is other gamers.

:rotfl:

I have been trying out a D&D encounters group at my LFGS for a few weeks now and it is interesting. These guys know the rules but their RPing skills are a bit shy of par.

They are making it easy for me to learn the new system and they are nice just not into the whole RPing aspect. The DM tells me what my character says, another does NO in character exchange and another has some communication challenges but does try to RP in character albeit in a clumsy manner. His heart is in it and he is versed in the rules.

The fractualization of the hobby is frustrating and makes it tough to get into a group that clix on all levels but I am going to try a bit harder to accept the limitations on the chance that something might pan out.

Still having fun just not the funnest...

Quote from: Captain Rufus;422042You put all your heart and soul into it and get FUCK ALL BACK for doing so.  

If nobody else seems to give a fuck why should you?

Because I love it? Because it's entertaining? Because it's my passion? Because there is some personal satisfaction going into making your own gaming environments and seeing people have fun playing through them? I like to share stuff I love with my friends in life? I don't know. There might be many reasons for it.

But to me, personally, I must say I don't quite understand this very weird syndrom that makes role players search for already established groups of gamers, like somehow that'd be horrible to play with people who've never played an RPG in their lives.

I introduced more than half the groups I've played with over the years to role playing games. Most of the time friends of mine who knew I was some type of gaming geek and one day got intrigued about it and decided to have a shot at it, to have some fun. That's how it works, to me. People get to know me for some other reason. I might talk about something gaming-related at some point, or some movie, or get asked pointblank what D&D is all about. Talk about it a little bit. Don't pressure or push people to "convert." You know, normal conversations. Then, I get to talk about it with some of them some time later, and if they're still intrigued, then I propose we play a game.

That's how I've always thought about it. I've never answered an ad in a game store or anything like that. I'm just comfortable enough in my geekitude to have friends outside of gaming, and share stuff about gaming if and when they're interested.

Really. I'm not seeing what the big deal is.