The Pundit's "Parlor"
First of all, for fuck's sake, it should be The Pundits Parlour. That's Parlour, with a "u". The way the Queen and god intended it.
Got that?
Right. Now, as to the Parlour itself, here are my thoughts from on high: the Mods created this room as joke. Pooka has already made it clear that its existence is of limited scope, for, as he said, as long as "its teh funneh".
And I get, that the Nutkinlanders are basically a bunch of good guys, who make the same point, when you get down to it, that I do: RPGs aren't rocket science; they aren't high art. They should be fun. And they add to this the point that RPG forums should not be run as though they were forums on rocket science or high art. When I first arrived on Nutkinland, I hadn't immediately grokked that this was their point. But I get it now, and it is a good point.
Not that this means that an RPG forum needs to descend to being rampant idiocy. Just like an RPG, for being fun, doesn't have to descend to rampant idiocy. The point is to take everything with moderation.
That said, I'm already doing my bit at cutting at the Swine of the world, often in a funny way, in my very own Parlour, of my very own choosing. Namely, this Xanga site. So I'm afraid that the Nutkins might find themselves more than a little disappointed with the degree to which I will give a fucking rat's ass about being their dancing monkey for them.
Now, if you, my loyal readers, want to go onto the Pundit's Parlour and write long articles about anti-swinery, go apeshit. Its your choice. Just remember that it is a joke and that's all the Nutkins really want it to be, and a big part of the joke is the amusement some of them seem to get from watching people express very serious views about how the RPG hobby shouldn't be taken seriously. Feel free, my Proxies, to post to your heart's content, let out your best anti-swine screeds; especially if you can do it tongue-in-cheek to remind yourself that as soon as you take "punditism" as seriously as the real Swine take their Swinedom, then you have become as deluded as they are.
My joke is of a different sort: my amusement comes in using seriousness as a bludgeon to frustrate and vex the Swine on their own turf. Watching them go into seizures at having their own impotence exposed. My humour is, in the end, perhaps more cruel; and instead of the slapstick and satire the Nutkins seem to so enjoy for its own sake, it is a mocking political humour.
And considering that, and considering how very seriously the Nutkins seem to take making a joke out of everyone; I would suggest that my proxies could do better in mocking the Nutkins themselves, than playing their game for them. For starters, one could say a lot about Oddveig's inability to form coherent sentences; or the Pooka's unusual sexual attraction to Greyhound Buses. Or the fact that every man-jack of them is a repressed furry fetishist. Go nuts.
So don't expect me to spend much time in the so-called "parlor".
If you want me, I'll be in my blog or posting on threads where I can get my own kind of bizzare kicks.
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Currently Smoking: Ferndown Bulldog + GL Pease's Charing Cross
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NKL's first flameout. I'm so proud!
No, I would say having read this, that you still don't understand the purpose behind the forum.
It's funny how, in striving not to be a dancing monkey, you've managed to do it anyway. :)
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Quote from: RPGPunditSo I'm afraid that the Nutkins might find themselves more than a little disappointed with the degree to which I will give a fucking rat's ass about being their dancing monkey for them.
You were, to my thinking, paid a compliment of the highest order -
you're interesting enough to be worthy of this joke.I'd think that would be worth a few circuits around the man grinding the organ. But that's me.
Well he did start the longest thread on the board. But it is dangerously close to moving into realm of asshattery itself.
Quote from: HreidmarWell he did start the longest thread on the board. But it is dangerously close to moving into realm of asshattery itself.
"Dangerously close"? You are a generous little squirrel, aren't you? I'd say that the horse in question on that thread has been dead for at least the last 30 pages or so.
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I didn't set out to make you the butt of any jokes RPGPundit, but you've managed to turn a joke you could be a part of into a joke aimed squarely at you. Congratulations.
So can I take this as an offer of surrender, Pundit? I'll spare the womenfolk and the miniatures, but the d20's going to have to answer for its crimes against gaming.
You're completely misrepresenting me; not just my actual position but my motivations as well (again, the old "he's a homophobe" argument? Don't you stupid fucks have anything else to use? I've got a ton of positions on life that are controversial and at least truly my own, why not use one of those? Like, call me a misogynist, or talk about my hatred of the Basques, or racist things I've said against the Irish).
Given that I really don't feel very motivated to respond to you.
This whole thing that the Nutkins have put up with the "duelling fora" would only really be funny if I actually did believe there was an "X-Files" like conspiracy to try to subvert gaming.
But since the whole "joke" is based on your premise, and your entire premise is wrong (I don't believe in any "shadowy conspiracy", only people with individual prejudices and preferences, which often take first place over either business sense or quality of game design), its just not funny.
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Quote from: RPGPunditYou're completely misrepresenting me; not just my actual position but my motivations as well (again, the old "he's a homophobe" argument? Don't you stupid fucks have anything else to use? I've got a ton of positions on life that are controversial and at least truly my own, why not use one of those? Like, call me a misogynist, or talk about my hatred of the Basques, or racist things I've said against the Irish).
Given that I really don't feel very motivated to respond to you.
This whole thing that the Nutkins have put up with the "duelling fora" would only really be funny if I actually did believe there was an "X-Files" like conspiracy to try to subvert gaming.
But since the whole "joke" is based on your premise, and your entire premise is wrong (I don't believe in any "shadowy conspiracy", only people with individual prejudices and preferences, which often take first place over either business sense or quality of game design), its just not funny.
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Au Contraire, it just keeps getting funnier. Now with 100% more racism!
Quote from: MaddmanAu Contraire, it just keeps getting funnier. Now with 100% more racism!
Ok, I see you really don't want to talk about it; that's fine. I can see how you'd rather avoid the embarrasment of having to admit you don't understand something.
Go ahead and continue with your little jokes. It changes nothing. Your "shadowy conspiracy" is still fake, but the Swine are still real. And you're still clearly an idiot.
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He fails the test of humor, he fails the test of sarcasm, he fails the test of Irony...
He said he takes is punditry about a non-serious topic very seriously. he's like a sad clown, too wrapped up in his own pathos to know why he's funny.
Can we get a sad-clown avatar for him. pleeeeeeeeese?
Quote from: PookaI didn't set out to make you the butt of any jokes RPGPundit, but you've managed to turn a joke you could be a part of into a joke aimed squarely at you. Congratulations.
Since the "Joke" was based on Maddman's false claims about my positions; essentially claiming "RPGPundit is just a conspiracy nut", I don't see how you could ever have intended for it to be anything other than a joke at my expense. The Swine get their little forum where they can run around very slightly exagerrating their real views and pretending that this in turn means they don't actually use gaming as a psychological crutch for a superiority/inferiority complex; and then there's this forum to do.. what?
For me to act all "conspiracy-nutty"? I don't see the fucking point of that.
It was a sucker's game you made, Pooka. No matter what I did, I'd end up looking like the "loser". So I'd rather not play.
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Quote from: RPGPundit... or racist things I've said against the Irish ...
The Irish are a 'race'?
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Quote from: RPGPunditOk, I see you really don't want to talk about it; that's fine. I can see how you'd rather avoid the embarrasment of having to admit you don't understand something.
Go ahead and continue with your little jokes. It changes nothing. Your "shadowy conspiracy" is still fake, but the Swine are still real. And you're still clearly an idiot.
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So you don't believe in a 'shadowy conspiracy', but you still hold that 'the Swine' are real, that there's a vast horde of gamers that want to suck all the fun out of gaming for their own self-importance or whatever. I really don't see the difference, you're still tilting at windmills and seeing maliciousness where there is none.
So I'll continue to make my little jokes.
How many Pundits does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, they seem to like it in the dark.
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No, not a vast horde, just a tiny pathetic minority. And they aren't a conspiracy because they aren't secret or organized. There's no "secret master plan", their actions and their motives are blatantly open and visible for all to see. And there's clearly no mastermind or great unified front among them; they're clearly losing.
I had hoped it was really based on you misunderstanding me; and that your claims that I want "nothing more than hack n' slash D&D" (patently FALSE), and that I believe in "conspiracy theories" were products of a lack of familiarity with me and what I'm talking about; and not just pathetic and typical attempts to slander me. But I guess that its the latter, after all.
Your maliciousness is pretty fucking obvious, for one. You're so offended and affected that I would suggest roleplaying games are just games, and that they should be easy, fun, and widely available that you have to launch this campaign to try to stop me.
Why would that be?
You know what? Actually, frankly I don't care why that would be. Whether its because some other Swine convinced you that you have to roleplay that way, or because uncle frank touched you in a dirty way in the park, or because you're just an asshole; I really don't give a shit.
All I care about is that the way you get your "fun" depends on the existence of a kind of roleplaying hobby (an exclusive and elitist hobby of pretentious pseudointellectualism) that is totally antithecal to the kind of roleplaying hobby (an inclusive and popular hobby of game playing) I and the majority of gamers need to get our fun. So I will thwart you at every turn.
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Pass some of that weed man.. It has to be some *fine* shit.
Quote from: PookaPass some of that weed man.. It has to be some *fine* shit.
Yea, right, because clearly I'm just talking shit. Clearly no one uses RPGs as an excuse to be pretentious and elitist, EVER. Right?
Clearly the Forge and the RPG.net Modclique and White Wolf's talking about "role playing not roll-playing" and claiming pretentious superiority to D&D is all just shit I made up, right?
Clearly there are NOT groups of people who consistently believe that D&D can't possibly be used for anything other than mindless wargaming, and that D20 is the source of all evil that will ruin RPGs by "appealing to the lowest common denominator", right? No one has ever said that...
And clearly Maddman didn't suggest that just because I don't join him in his love of gaming theory I MUST only want "Hack n slash Dnd", right?
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Believe it or not RPGPundit, I actually get what you're saying, and to a certain degree I agree with you. I have never liked WoD games exactly because of that obnoxious "role-play vs. roll-play" BS they seemed to espouse. I, for one, have never needed rules to govern any of my characters personality or social interaction, because that, for me, is where the actual role-playing comes in. I decide how my character interacts socially and what personality he has based on the concept I have of him and the write-up I did on his background and personality. I like the tactical combat style of D20 because combat is exactly where I want and need rules and randomness to make the game fun for me, but I have no trouble at all role-playing a character in D20 games. I really feel that this is what you are saying, and that it angers you to hear/see people basah D20, calling it a "roll-playing" game and talking smack about how it "sucks" because it doesn't happen to appeal to their sense of "depth" or "relevance". I think I really do get it, and like I said, for the most part I agree. The reason I think you become a target for people, which unfortunately distorts your message, is because of the claims you make about how influential your "outcry" over these things is. I'm not saying that you aren't influential, and I'm not saying you are....what I'm saying is that when you feel the need to point out your perception of the effect your vocalization has had, you lessen your credibility. It comes across as self-aggrandization and that gives folks an excuse to attack you through that instead of dealing with your true message. Just how I see it brother, if I'm completely wrong let me know and I'll work on once again trying to "get-it". Just to reiterate, the pretentiousness of some in the hobby really does irritate me too, I just try to ignore them as acknowledging it just makes them that much more smug and intolerable.
Quote from: SigmundThe reason I think you become a target for people, which unfortunately distorts your message, is because of the claims you make about how influential your "outcry" over these things is.
Nah, he'd still be a target even if he never made any claims to importance at all. Nature of the beast. All you have to do is state an opinion that's roughly traditional (as in traditional rpg play), and it's on.
The only other option is to roll over and give up. Which given how insignificant such debate is on the Internet, is really not that bad of a option.
Quote from: gleichmanNah, he'd still be a target even if he never made any claims to importance at all. Nature of the beast. All you have to do is state an opinion that's roughly traditional (as in traditional rpg play), and it's on.
The only other option is to roll over and give up. Which given how insignificant such debate is on the Internet, is really not that bad of a option.
You're probably right, but RPGPundit's slef-promotion still doesn't help, because then that's what becomes a focus and any other message gets either distorted or outright downed-out in the flame-fire.
Quote from: SigmundYou're probably right, but RPGPundit's slef-promotion still doesn't help, because then that's what becomes a focus and any other message gets either distorted or outright downed-out in the flame-fire.
It doesn't help in that it makes it difficult for people who may agree with him on major points to take his side. Even if his claims are true, it comes across very badly.
In the big picture, they'd just select something else to focus on. Without the self-promotion, they'd focus on his rudeness. If he wasn't openly rude, they'd still call him rude because he disgrees with them.
Be there and seen it all.
Quote from: SigmundBelieve it or not RPGPundit, I actually get what you're saying, and to a certain degree I agree with you. I have never liked WoD games exactly because of that obnoxious "role-play vs. roll-play" BS they seemed to espouse. I, for one, have never needed rules to govern any of my characters personality or social interaction, because that, for me, is where the actual role-playing comes in. I decide how my character interacts socially and what personality he has based on the concept I have of him and the write-up I did on his background and personality. I like the tactical combat style of D20 because combat is exactly where I want and need rules and randomness to make the game fun for me, but I have no trouble at all role-playing a character in D20 games. I really feel that this is what you are saying, and that it angers you to hear/see people basah D20, calling it a "roll-playing" game and talking smack about how it "sucks" because it doesn't happen to appeal to their sense of "depth" or "relevance". I think I really do get it, and like I said, for the most part I agree. The reason I think you become a target for people, which unfortunately distorts your message, is because of the claims you make about how influential your "outcry" over these things is. I'm not saying that you aren't influential, and I'm not saying you are....what I'm saying is that when you feel the need to point out your perception of the effect your vocalization has had, you lessen your credibility. It comes across as self-aggrandization and that gives folks an excuse to attack you through that instead of dealing with your true message. Just how I see it brother, if I'm completely wrong let me know and I'll work on once again trying to "get-it". Just to reiterate, the pretentiousness of some in the hobby really does irritate me too, I just try to ignore them as acknowledging it just makes them that much more smug and intolerable.
Well, hey, if you or the whole site wants to poke fun at my MASSIVE ego, then go nuts! I make no qualms about the fact that I'm arrogant as all fuck.
It mostly pisses me off that instead they choose to try to mock me for shit that isn't true, and in the process make it seem like the shit I'm talking about isn't really happening.
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Quote from: gleichmanIt doesn't help in that it makes it difficult for people who may agree with him on major points to take his side. Even if his claims are true, it comes across very badly.
In the big picture, they'd just select something else to focus on. Without the self-promotion, they'd focus on his rudeness. If he wasn't openly rude, they'd still call him rude because he disgrees with them.
Be there and seen it all.
Precisely. And I think that the self-promotion DOES in fact help, because it creates a rallying point for the counterargument. The "other side" certainly knows how to self-aggrandize. They're people who are in many cases absolute nonentities (like Eyebeamz) pretending to be "industry insiders". Fuck, in others they're people with tiny companies who's influence is meaningless in a market where Wizards is the 800lb gorilla, banding together to pretend there is such a thing as an "RPG Industry" outside of Wizards, congratulating each other for their brilliance and giving each other awards as if, in comparison to D&D, anyone is fucking playing their games.
Not to mention the gang of self-promoting Swine who took control of RPG.net, pretending that they are the great authorities of what's in the "vanguard" of RPG fashion, talking about the "influence" of games like "Nobilis", "Weapons of the Gods" and "My life with Master" as if these were in any way names that the average REAL roleplayer would recognize, and dedicating thread upon thread to how to solve the "problems" of D20.
So hey, I think what the "good guys" need here is a few more guys like me, who are willing to aggresively self-promote to get the message across; It doesn't really come naturally to us, because we see RPGs as a game, a game we might really be passionate about, but still a game (and not say, fucking Rocket Science). But using the Swine's own seriousness against them is the only way to play the game and talk about the hobby on the internet in such a way that it will in any way reflect the true realities of what the hobby is in the outside world today.
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Quote from: RPGPunditNot to mention the gang of self-promoting Swine who took control of RPG.net
No, how YOU doing?
Quote from: RPGPunditSo hey, I think what the "good guys" need here is a few more guys like me, who are willing to aggresively self-promote to get the message across; It doesn't really come naturally to us, because we see RPGs as a game, a game we might really be passionate about, but still a game (and not say, fucking Rocket Science). But using the Swine's own seriousness against them is the only way to play the game and talk about the hobby on the internet in such a way that it will in any way reflect the true realities of what the hobby is in the outside world today.
I see the point you're making.
In fact, the only reason I'm currently online here at all is to watch you play whack-a-mole on the Swine as you call them. I'm not above taking some joy out of watching you call them names and break their illusions. They do after all deserve it IMO. Especally the Forge and RPGNet.
Other than the enjoyment factor however, I wonder if us good guys *need* it.
It's not like they've made any real impact on the world outside their little sand castles. They haven't stolen any players from my group. They take up hardly any shelf space at the LGS. Their only sin is taking up bandwidth online which they seem to do in spades. But our type of gamer is generally too busy playing cool games to even notice that.
In fact, this plays to D20's strength in a way. They have so discredited the concept of products that don't carry that logo, they may have well become part of WoTC's ad budget. "No D20 Logo, must be a fruity story game", said Joe customer tossing the book back on the self.
They are insignificant, and will likely remain insignificant until a more important future force (whatever that may be) impacts the 'rpg industry' in its own way.
So go at it.
Just don't over-reach on the self-promoting. Online you're part of a small minority, and any factual error on your part will hurt far more than the grandest lies they may tell.
Quote from: gleichmanI see the point you're making.
In fact, the only reason I'm currently online here at all is to watch you play whack-a-mole on the Swine as you call them. I'm not above taking some joy out of watching you call them names and break their illusions. They do after all deserve it IMO. Especally the Forge and RPGNet.
Other than the enjoyment factor however, I wonder if us good guys *need* it.
It's not like they've made any real impact on the world outside their little sand castles. They haven't stolen any players from my group. They take up hardly any shelf space at the LGS. Their only sin is taking up bandwidth online which they seem to do in spades. But our type of gamer is generally too busy playing cool games to even notice that.
In fact, this plays to D20's strength in a way. They have so discredited the concept of products that don't carry that logo, they may have well become part of WoTC's ad budget. "No D20 Logo, must be a fruity story game", said Joe customer tossing the book back on the self.
They are insignificant, and will likely remain insignificant until a more important future force (whatever that may be) impacts the 'rpg industry' in its own way.
So go at it.
Just don't over-reach on the self-promoting. Online you're part of a small minority, and any factual error on your part will hurt far more than the grandest lies they may tell.
I'm with gleichman on this one. If it don't bother you RPGPundit, then I'm with ya. Heck I'm even a fan of Blue Rose, yet when I mention that what I don't like about it is it's subtle gender-based discrimination elements and tyranical deer I get jumped for I didn't even count how many posts, as if I'm not entitled to my opinion. If that's the way it was all the time on rpg.net I'm glad I've never bothered to post there. And just for the record, I don't think I've seriously mocked anyone on this or any other message board. If jokes are made it's only been to laugh with someone, not at them.
Quote from: RPGPunditSo hey, I think what the "good guys" need here is a few more guys like me, who are willing to aggresively self-promote to get the message across; It doesn't really come naturally to us, because we see RPGs as a game, a game we might really be passionate about, but still a game (and not say, fucking Rocket Science). But using the Swine's own seriousness against them is the only way to play the game and talk about the hobby on the internet in such a way that it will in any way reflect the true realities of what the hobby is in the outside world today.
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This here is why I posted what I did. It is just a game. I really enjoy the game, it helps me keep my imagination active, and it gives me lots of fun, but it's still just a game in the end. I really can't imagine people taking it all that seriously.
Quote from: SigmundThis here is why I posted what I did. It is just a game. I really enjoy the game, it helps me keep my imagination active, and it gives me lots of fun, but it's still just a game in the end. I really can't imagine people taking it all that seriously.
Sadly it's a rather common affliction.
Rather than saying that they are playing a game, they have to say that they are creating art.
They even go further.
I had exchanges with one designer who's work had as part of its setting directed abuse of children by magically influenced adults, he went so far as to claim therapeutic benefits from it instead of seeing how it could pander to less than idealistic natures of people.
As if your average gamer is trained to make therapeutic use of his game, or as if his warnings of mature subject in the text had any ability to change how the product would be used.
In the end, it's about ego. People want to attach value to what they do.
Why they need more value than "I had a cool game this weekend, everyone enjoyed themselves" is beyond me. But they do.
To them it has to be Art, It has to be Therapy. It has to be Meaningful. It has to have something of great Value.
And one way they grant themselves value is by devaluing others. Thus we hear "role-playing not roll-playing" thrown about on almost every forum on the internet.
I play games. I design games. I hope I do the former better than I do the latter. My games are role-playing games built around a detailed wargame foundation. For me, that's really the end of the subject.
I'm of mix mind about RPGPundit's attacks. One one hand, it is sinking to their level. On the other, I've been hammered so often for my style of play I just plain enjoy watching the fire go the other way for a change.
I imagine that I'll reach a degree of contentment over the new few days and sign off the RPG forums for a while again.
Heh, I hear ya. I can't imagine a rpg being used as "therapy". I'm a drug addiction counselor, and although some "role-playing" is sometimes involved in therapy, that's by no stretch of the imagination anything to do with rpgs. It's actually disturbing to me that someone would actually think that.
Y'all are welcome to be "with me" on this one. Thanks.
As for what harm could the Swine do: right now, they have no influence in the outside world, its true, and the impact they make on the gaming world right now is mostly limited to the fact that they control one of the biggest fora about RPGs, and thus manage to ruin the fun right now for the rest of us.
But not that long ago, before D20, they were in control of the "ideological" direction of the industry; and they could do so again.
Now is not the time to rest on D20's laurels.
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Quote from: RPGPunditAs for what harm could the Swine do: right now, they have no influence in the outside world, its true, and the impact they make on the gaming world right now is mostly limited to the fact that they control one of the biggest fora about RPGs, and thus manage to ruin the fun right now for the rest of us.
They own RPGNet and the Forge, this much has always been true and is true today.
I however have serious doubts that it will ever change. People of our tastes in games make up the vast majority of the gaming world. However that world doesn't spend a lot of time online fighting with the Swine.
They generally spend it playing games instead.
The very fact that we think rpgs are nothing more than games means that we'll never reach enough of a online mass to equal the Swine. We don't have the passion. Of the 40 or so regulars that have been in my campaigns over the years, I'm the only one who has spent any time online (I also happen to be the only one who designed rpgs).
The rest just don't care what the swine is saying. Their best go at it is to sign on and laugh at them a while and then never go there again.
The Swine on the other hand have real passion behind them. Just like any other fringe group on the Internet. This is where they get their self-worth. It matters more to them.
So while I think that something like the Forge will die within weeks of Clinton leaving (Ron needs someone to do the work for him) or Ron getting hit by a truck, in the end it won't matter. They will huddle together in a new location under a new cult leader and the 'work' will go on.
Everyone else will go to ENWorld and talk D20, or be nearly homeless online. Really, where would I go to talk about my homegrown fantasy system? Who in the world would care but my own group?
Nor for all that negativity, there is a upside.
Blogs have changed things for the better.
When I signed back on last week it was to check up on rumors of Ron's latest dust up. Normally I'd expected to see nothing but the heavily one sided flamewars on RPGNet and the Forge, with the moderation of both sites gutting the side of the debate they didn't approve of.
Instead google returned link after link from the Blogs calling Ron what he is, yours with them.
This is I think a more realistic goal. A counterbalance to the one-sided presentation that used to exist online. In the case of the rare non-Swine gamer who goes online, there is now a easy reference to something besides the one-true way of the Swine.
And that's cool.
Quote from: RPGPunditBut not that long ago, before D20, they were in control of the "ideological" direction of the industry; and they could do so again.
Now is not the time to rest on D20's laurels.
Like or not, we're likely more tied to the fortunes of D&D (in whatever form) than we are to merits of our view.
Other than that, I'll leave the who future of the 'RPG Industry' for another time.
I'd have to say the same. WotC and D20 (or whatever system they might switch to in the future) is the industry. Everything else is just niche and specialty stuff. They are the Microsoft of RPGs.
Always Remember, the fifth of November!
Never forget which products killed TSR
and more regrettably:
GDW
Both have been killed because of the Lady of Pain, who in turn let "Style over Substance" games to be published without any businesssense.
Quote from: SettembriniAlways Remember, the fifth of November!
Never forget which products killed TSR
and more regrettably:
GDW
Both have been killed because of the Lady of Pain, who in turn let "Style over Substance" games to be published without any businesssense.
Thing is, WotC is much bigger than TSR ever was. Wizards has Magic to keep it going, and Hasbro to keep it honest.
Quote from: gleichmanAnd that's cool.
Yes, it is.
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If you take a look at the colour of my user name, now, you'll see which side I'm on. (Well, roughly on. I refuse to conform to anyone else's position 100%.)
However, I have got to say that YOU TAKE YOURSELF WAY TOO FUCKING SERIOUSLY. You treat your arguments like they are rocket science.
Really. Calm down, take a deep breath, stick your tongue out at Maddman, and don't let the people here get under your skin too much. If the management was really out to get you, they'd be doing things a hell of a lot worse than this. They're imaginitive.
Quote from: CyberzombieIf you take a look at the colour of my user name, now, you'll see which side I'm on. (Well, roughly on. I refuse to conform to anyone else's position 100%.)
However, I have got to say that YOU TAKE YOURSELF WAY TOO FUCKING SERIOUSLY. You treat your arguments like they are rocket science.
Really. Calm down, take a deep breath, stick your tongue out at Maddman, and don't let the people here get under your skin too much. If the management was really out to get you, they'd be doing things a hell of a lot worse than this. They're imaginitive.
Quoted For Truth. As I've said elsewhere, the ABSOLUTE WORST THING you can do when someone pokes at you a bit at Nutkinland is to cry and complain and expound upon how they are out to get you. The ABSOLUTE BEST THING you can do is roll with it. If they give you a forum, don't sit and navel-gaze about how it's been done to make fun of you or fuck with you in some way - just grab the reins and use to the hilt what you've been given. Fuck, I've been a part of Nothingland a long time, and I've never been given a forum of my own! Have fun with it!
Quote from: CyberzombieIf you take a look at the colour of my user name, now, you'll see which side I'm on. (Well, roughly on. I refuse to conform to anyone else's position 100%.)
However, I have got to say that YOU TAKE YOURSELF WAY TOO FUCKING SERIOUSLY. You treat your arguments like they are rocket science.
Really. Calm down, take a deep breath, stick your tongue out at Maddman, and don't let the people here get under your skin too much. If the management was really out to get you, they'd be doing things a hell of a lot worse than this. They're imaginitive.
You guys are gonna ruin all my fun. :mad:
Quote from: MaddmanYou guys are gonna ruin all my fun. :mad:
I live to ruin your fun. :D
Quote from: SigmundThing is, WotC is much bigger than TSR ever was. Wizards has Magic to keep it going, and Hasbro to keep it honest.
The down side of this is that WotC is big enough to kill a product line. Even one that is making them money if they thing diverting the expense of production to another line will make more.
They'd likely sell it off to another party first however. It would take quite the series of changes and events to kill it completely.
Don´t forget what happened to the Star Wars RPG license.