Quote from: GameDaddy;1084564yes Christopher Helton wrote the Enworld story. He also wrote about it in the forums and discussion threads over at RPG.net and on twitter as well, and probably a few other places as well. Matter of fact, he and a few other people have not stopped writing about it.

And if Helton was being as honest about Webb as he'd been about me in 2014 during his article for Consultantgate, then not a single word of it is true.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1084566So if you say to a business partner, "You can do business with BadGuys Inc. or you can do business with me, make up your mind," that's OK, but if someone goes round to all BadGuys Inc.'s suppliers or clients and says, "None of you should do business with BadGuys, I mean, c'mon, they're bad guys! It's in the flippin' name!", that's not?  What makes a particular case of interference "improper"?

Well, just a guess here, it would be improper to say you should not do business with others if what you are claiming is really not true and they are not bad guys. If you are lying about that, and making a false claim against them, you are in fact harming them.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1084570Oh awesome!  That means he's reading this! Hi Chris!! How fun is this? I hope Bill Webb gets everything in your tiny apartment, including your cat and that secret collection of very-not-woke porn you try to hide from people!

Who are we kidding? Helton doesn't have a single damn thing worth taking but Webb isn't doing this for the money. Oh no. The great Mr.Beard is going to make the entire legal process as humiliating as possible for Helton & Co. and that's the goal.

Did SJ Games send you the Fantasy Trip?

seems to me that when Helton demanded people boycott both Frog God Games and Steve Jackson Games (claiming that Jackson was supporting people who sexually assaulted others), he went way over the line. Helton better have some money to hire an attorney, because he is in serious trouble.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1084566So if you say to a business partner, "You can do business with BadGuys Inc. or you can do business with me, make up your mind," that's OK, but if someone goes round to all BadGuys Inc.'s suppliers or clients and says, "None of you should do business with BadGuys, I mean, c'mon, they're bad guys! It's in the flippin' name!", that's not?  What makes a particular case of interference "improper"?

The first is probably OK. The second might be OK too. Clearly improper is the realm of things like blackmail. It varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, however, where that line is between improper and proper.

Quote from: GameDaddy;1084573Well, just a guess here, it would be improper to say you should not do business with others if what you are claiming is really not true and they are not bad guys. If you are lying about that, and making a false claim against them, you are in fact harming them.

There's a definite, solid, maybe.

Quote from: jeff37923;1084557This an attempt by jhkim to distract the reader...

...it is? Inferring intent is one of those things that FGG will likely be relying on for its case. So if you believe FGG has a case... watch out! You're treading very close to creating one yourself here. (For nominal damages.)

(Or, in a less confrontational way: be the knight of common sense you are and don't succumb to outrage or contempt.)

Quote from: RPGPundit;1084571And if Helton was being as honest about Webb as he'd been about me in 2014 during his article for Consultantgate, then not a single word of it is true.

Ah yes,Mr. "Gamers owe me a living wage". I'd almost happily forgotten.

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1084589...it is? Inferring intent is one of those things that FGG will likely be relying on for its case. So if you believe FGG has a case... watch out! You're treading very close to creating one yourself here. (For nominal damages.)

(Or, in a less confrontational way: be the knight of common sense you are and don't succumb to outrage or contempt.)

Neither outrage nor contempt, just letting the reader know that those links jhkim posted as "informative" go to forums that condemned on hearsay the guy who has hired a legal firm to take action.

Not everyone has seen this whole melodrama unfold and are coming into it while it has gotten to the good parts. Being directed to posts which are the hearsay being acted upon as legitimate sources of information is disingenous at best.

It is about time someone stood up to the tabletop gestapo. Well, maybe I shouldn't say tabletop. It doesn't seem like any of them actually play tabletop games as they are far too busy throwing their own metaphorical feces at people. I am an absolute believer in free speech, free thought, and the rights of people to live however they want in peace. But this, this is not peace. This is a clutch of insignificant children who hypocritically believe they have the duty to instruct others how to behave.

Honestly, this whole thing is madness. Ever hobby or group has its crazies, that's just how the odds break. But to think that this niche hobby is even a good place to stand up for social justice is hilariously insane. They are struggling and lashing out against their own insignificance by trying to harm others, even people who pay them lip service.

I don't know Webb, never met the guy. I was not present when whatever he did supposedly occurred. I also don't care. If he committed a crime, let him be charged. But I cannot stand for this trial by deranged spoiled millennials over social media. It must end. Happy hunting to Mr. Webb.

Quote from: Lurtch;1084583Did SJ Games send you the Fantasy Trip?

I'm not sure who sent it! But it sure did arrive at the ideal time!

LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR!!!

What wonderful news!

Quote from: sureshot;1084505I guess since Pundit is also not bending over backwards to accommodate Helton demand for a safe space he and we are bad people.

I remember trying on a black hat for the first time and discovering that I look damn fine in black hats.

Totally good with being part of the "bad people" in upside down world.

Hail Honkler motherfuckers!

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1084543Given these people have no meaningful assets to go after I'm not sure what Froggy hopes to accomplish with a lawsuit.

Most of the SJWs I've met IRL have been trust fund kids. Perhaps the lawyers know where the gold is buried.

I wonder if Helton and crew are aware how serious this is. This isn't television or the movies, kids. The verdict can potentially ruin the rest of their lives.

Watch what you do online!

Quote from: Spinachcat;1084607Most of the SJWs I've met IRL have been trust fund kids. Perhaps the lawyers know where the gold is buried.

They can potentially garnish future earnings, like the SPLC did with Tom Metzger.

Quote from: jeff37923;1084596Neither outrage nor contempt, just letting the reader know that those links jhkim posted as "informative" go to forums that condemned on hearsay the guy who has hired a legal firm to take action.

Not everyone has seen this whole melodrama unfold and are coming into it while it has gotten to the good parts. Being directed to posts which are the hearsay being acted upon as legitimate sources of information is disingenous at best.

That's not how I saw it (EDIT: and I could be wrong). I'm not defending jhkim, as he can defend himself, I'm only looking at it and going, "Poster A posted something. Poster B inferred a malicious intent ("to distract the reader"), but made no case for why. What's up?" Going to the source of the wrongdoing to see the wrongdoing and get a full picture of what's going on doesn't seem disingenuous, on its face, unless you want to read it that way. Another way of looking at those links that requires no inference of intent is that they are supplemental data, perhaps poorly presented (but that's neither here nor there).