Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084525My recommendations: subscribe to Nick Reiketa's channel on youtube, watch it like a hawk.  When he does his Lawsplaining the Internet streams, which are long and late at night (but he re-uploads them) any with Ty Beard will likely have more information as the case goes on.  Keep an eye on the very weird website "kiwi farms"; they have a Games sub-forum where they're talking about this.  I went down a rabbit hole this morning; Reiketa and Ty Beard both have given thanks to kiwi farms for helping them archive stuff in the Vic Mignogna case, and they are interested in the RPG suit case too, and have started to talk about it.  While they have their own forum culture there one thing is they really, really stay on top of information.

Also I think if they defendants don't bother showing up in Texas or responding, it is a summary judgment in favor of the plaintiffs.

Finally, this isn't defamation, don't mistake it.  This is Tortious Interference which is going to be a lot easier to prove.  Defamation strays into the area of free speech.  See, I can say, "I think Pundit is a cockholster who shouldn't get one one-billionth of the fame he has because he's a transphobe" and that's protected speech.  However, if I call up (say) his print shop that does his various RPGs and tell them "You should drop his business, he's a transphobe, it would be better for you to do that" and they terminate that business agreement...that's TI.  

N.b.: Pundit's not a transphobe, I was using that as an outrageous example.

But yeah, Dellaforino, Helton and Price better brace for impact.

Thank you for the breakdown. I'd think under this definition then TI would be a slam dunk. I mean, they're literally going after SJG in a manner that holds up to exactly what you've written. The proof is literally fucking everywhere.

EDIT: Aaaaand I caught up on page two. Still interesting, but maybe not a slam dunk after all. I guess we shall see.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1084525My recommendations: subscribe to Nick Reiketa's channel on youtube, watch it like a hawk.  When he does his Lawsplaining the Internet streams, which are long and late at night (but he re-uploads them) any with Ty Beard will likely have more information as the case goes on.  Keep an eye on the very weird website "kiwi farms"; they have a Games sub-forum where they're talking about this.  I went down a rabbit hole this morning; Reiketa and Ty Beard both have given thanks to kiwi farms for helping them archive stuff in the Vic Mignogna case, and they are interested in the RPG suit case too, and have started to talk about it.  While they have their own forum culture there one thing is they really, really stay on top of information.

Also I think if they defendants don't bother showing up in Texas or responding, it is a summary judgment in favor of the plaintiffs.

Finally, this isn't defamation, don't mistake it.  This is Tortious Interference which is going to be a lot easier to prove.  Defamation strays into the area of free speech.  See, I can say, "I think Pundit is a cockholster who shouldn't get one one-billionth of the fame he has because he's a transphobe" and that's protected speech.  However, if I call up (say) his print shop that does his various RPGs and tell them "You should drop his business, he's a transphobe, it would be better for you to do that" and they terminate that business agreement...that's TI.  

N.b.: Pundit's not a transphobe, I was using that as an outrageous example.

But yeah, Dellaforino, Helton and Price better brace for impact.

Greetings!

Dungeon, that's a very nice legalese example there you gave between Freedom of Speech and TI. Thank you. I liked it, and it also really digs into why and how the SJW's are so fucked up and wrong about their behavior with all of this.

It's a big part of what we've all been so resistant and angry about with SJW's for quite awhile now. It's good to see some folks finally able to stand up to the SJW's and blast them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Given these people have no meaningful assets to go after I'm not sure what Froggy hopes to accomplish with a lawsuit.

Quote from: sureshot;1084505I guess since Pundit is also not bending over backwards to accommodate Helton demand for a safe space he and we are bad people. https://twitter.com/JCTXS/status/1120942629313818625/photo/1 .

And not one reply in support of him or from his 'allies'. Ouch!

Quote from: Melan;1084536Honestly, KiwiFarms is not an ally I would like to have. It is a site populated by the same kinds of amoral shitheads you would find on 4chan and Something Awful, engaging in doxxing and some pretty psychotic stalking behaviour.

#KiwiFarms, #4Chan, #SomethingAwful, #EncylopediaDramatica, and other #SJWs are allies insofar as they collect evidence. And they should both be rightfully commended for the help they offer and condemned for the harm they cause, because seeking simple solutions to complex problems are why we're in this mess in the first place.

Proud to say I've never sullied myself by having a Twitter account in the first place. But now I see why this Helton character is a target. Never heard of him before - where do all these shitbags even come from???

Pundit - you just made my day. Fucking superb. I once made the mistake of trying to be friends with that emotionally-compromised tabloid journalist. I hope he gets eviscerated.

They may not have large assets available, but recovering damages via leins and/or garnishments might be options. It's hard to imagine FGG thinks they'll recover large stacks of money unless it turns out that a defendant has a trust fund.

Just FYI for those who haven't been reading - this has already been under discussion in the current thread, "The Woke morons are going after Steve Jackson Games".

Nick Reiketa's video is here - with the segment about this topic about 57 minutes in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMThCmRezFw&feature=youtu.be&t=3440

He notes that the lawsuit exists, and also characterizes the issue as being about Bill Webb offering a cigarette to someone, giving them the pack with his room key in it - which was taken as a pickup attempt. This is the first that I've seen of that story, which Anon in the other thread says is a new version that just came from Bill Webb himself. Regardless of who is right, this is completely different than the previous accounts of what happened at PaizoCon 2017 as in the Enworld article, which was that Webb was drunkenly stalking a woman through the halls until he was stopped by a con staffer.

There is also an RPGnet thread on the topic, but it is also light on details or sources when I checked.

Regardless of the outcome, FGG & Co. are performing a public service. It seems to have become accepted in various corners of social media that trying to destroy people's livelihoods with malicious gossip is just good fun. Just possibly the demonstration that there might actually be consequences for participating in these activities might convince people to think twice in the future.

Quote from: jhkim;1084554Just FYI for those who haven't been reading -

This an attempt by jhkim to distract the reader by throwing up links to two different forums that have both condemned Bill Webb based on hearsay, which is an example of the reasons why there is legal action being taken now.

Quote from: SHARK;1084542Dungeon, that's a very nice legalese example there you gave between Freedom of Speech and TI. Thank you. I liked it, and it also really digs into why and how the SJW's are so fucked up and wrong about their behavior with all of this.

It's a big part of what we've all been so resistant and angry about with SJW's for quite awhile now. It's good to see some folks finally able to stand up to the SJW's and blast them.

Well, be sure to look closely at what Tanin Wolf above said, too; my description was a little vague and he puts a fine point on it.

Quote from: jhkim;1084554There is also an RPGnet thread on the topic, but it is also light on details or sources when I checked.

Understatement of the fucking year.

Quote from: jhkim;1084554Just FYI for those who haven't been reading - this has already been under discussion in the current thread, "The Woke morons are going after Steve Jackson Games".

Nick Reiketa's video is here - with the segment about this topic about 57 minutes in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMThCmRezFw&feature=youtu.be&t=3440

He notes that the lawsuit exists, and also characterizes the issue as being about Bill Webb offering a cigarette to someone, giving them the pack with his room key in it - which was taken as a pickup attempt. This is the first that I've seen of that story, which Anon in the other thread says is a new version that just came from Bill Webb himself. Regardless of who is right, this is completely different than the previous accounts of what happened at PaizoCon 2017 as in the Enworld article, which was that Webb was drunkenly stalking a woman through the halls until he was stopped by a con staffer.

There is also an RPGnet thread on the topic, but it is also light on details or sources when I checked.

yes Christopher Helton wrote the Enworld story. He also wrote about it in the forums and discussion threads over at RPG.net and on twitter as well, and probably a few other places as well. Matter of fact, he and a few other people have not stopped writing about it.

Quote from: wmarshal;1084552They may not have large assets available, but recovering damages via leins and/or garnishments might be options. It's hard to imagine FGG thinks they'll recover large stacks of money unless it turns out that a defendant has a trust fund.

Well, If it were me, I would also request a court order from the Judge barring the defendants from making any public statements about the plaintiff, the plaintiffs company, or any business dealings. I would also request a peace warrant barring the defendants from being at the same conventions and or public events as the plaintiff.

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1084533One of the elements in TI is that the interference must be improper. ...In the 3rd Restatement of Torts, an example given is something along the lines of "D could refuse to do business with P after learning that P has a contract or business relationship with an organization that D finds morally distasteful. D knows that his business is worth more to P than the other organization's and that his refusal to deal is substantially certain to cause P to terminate his contractual or business relationship with the other organization. Since his motivation is not improper, P's actions would not satisfy a claim of tortious interference by the other organization."

So if you say to a business partner, "You can do business with BadGuys Inc. or you can do business with me, make up your mind," that's OK, but if someone goes round to all BadGuys Inc.'s suppliers or clients and says, "None of you should do business with BadGuys, I mean, c'mon, they're bad guys! It's in the flippin' name!", that's not?  What makes a particular case of interference "improper"?

Quote from: sureshot;1084505To me it's the shock and awe from the SJWs in the hobby. How dare Bil Webb, FGG and SJGames dare to defend themselves. After all they should have have bent over backwards to accommodate their and ever gamer SJWs feelings on the matter. They would have lost money if they did do that. Too damn bad all that matters in life is based on "reasons and feels" and not profit.

BTW Pundit you are on Chris Helton radar you should feel proud. I guess since Pundit is also not bending over backwards to accommodate Helton demand for a safe space he and we are bad people. https://twitter.com/JCTXS/status/1120942629313818625/photo/1 .

Oh awesome!  That means he's reading this! Hi Chris!! How fun is this? I hope Bill Webb gets everything in your tiny apartment, including your cat and that secret collection of very-not-woke porn you try to hide from people!

Who are we kidding? Helton doesn't have a single damn thing worth taking but Webb isn't doing this for the money. Oh no. The great Mr.Beard is going to make the entire legal process as humiliating as possible for Helton & Co. and that's the goal.