Quote from: thedungeondelver;1110124This one always cracks me up because the people who do it (or call him a sexist, or a homophobe, or whatever) never have the guts to do it directly towards Gail Gygax, or any of Gary's kids, all of whom are on social media, and all of whom promote all things Gary.  They'll sit on their forums and twitter accounts and mumble incoherently about the big meaniehead Gary Gygax, and yet, when push comes to shove, never straight up go to his kids (who would know) or his wife (who would also know) or even his divorced wife (who would have no reason to not say if it were the case).

Ah, mercy.

But yeah Frank Trollman's messed up.  Didn't he have an account here?

I think so, years ago. It's hard to remember now.

That thread over at the Gaming Den is both cringe worthy and frightening to read. Frank Trollman said something no matter if it is a lie, libel or slander so he is to be absolutely believed completely. Then they wonder why some SJWs get a bad name. It is like the cuckoo clock struck twelve or something.

Quote from: amacris;1110043I believe the same people who run our corporations run our government; corruption and abuse of power don't vanish if you substitute .com for .gov in your email.

That's actually a remarkably pithy remark, which I'd like to preserve as a quote with your permission.

Along the same lines, I have a friend who used to work in banking, who said he was very glad the sharks he saw there were in the private sector, safely well away from government. Because if they saw the best opportunities (and rewards) in working for the state, they'd be there instead, toying with ordinary people's lives for fun.

Quote from: amacris;1110043

That was a masterwork of a post.

The attacks against you always seemed unfair from everything I'd read. It's absolutely chilling to consider that you seem to be such a reasonable and thoughtful person and are still getting targeted like this.

I guess that we know from history how awful mobs are, and our present situation is that we get to figure it out again, on the internet this time.

Sorry. Thank you for carrying on.

Quote from: amacris;1110043Instead I will continue to do what I have been doing: Make strangely baroque role-playing game/wargames with an overreliance on spreadsheets for an audience that thinks Dwarf Fortress could be a good boardgame.

I finally took the leap and went in on ACKS. Now I am positive I need to be playing it.

Edit: And echoing Stephen Tannhauser's request for quote preservation, but for that quote as well.

Stephen Tannhauser and Insubordinate Polyhedral, you're both welcome to use that text in a quote! Thank you for the kind words.

The folks who dislike me apparently think I'm Osama bin Laden, it's hard to imagine a pithy quote could do me any harm

Quote from: insubordinate polyhedral;1110181The attacks against you always seemed unfair from everything I'd read. It's absolutely chilling to consider that you seem to be such a reasonable and thoughtful person and are still getting targeted like this.

I don't think so.  It sounds to me like he knew Milo was unpleasant, but thought he could use the monster for his own purposes.  That's exactly the villain in Jurassic World.  Nobody is surprised when the monster turns on you, or bites the hand feeding it.  

Playing with fire...

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110245I don't think so.  It sounds to me like he knew Milo was unpleasant, but thought he could use the monster for his own purposes.  That's exactly the villain in Jurassic World.  Nobody is surprised when the monster turns on you, or bites the hand feeding it.  

Playing with fire...

 Still waiting for you to explain how we libeled Frank Trollman.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110245I don't think so.  It sounds to me like he knew Milo was unpleasant, but thought he could use the monster for his own purposes.  

Playing with fire...

Is that projection?  Because that's classic SJW right there.

Quote from: Mistwell;1110248Still waiting for you to explain how we libeled Frank Trollman.

When I used the term libel, I meant it in the hyperbolic sense that I understood it to be used in Sacrificial Lamb's original post, effectively meaning 'people are saying mean things in writing'.  

Proving something is a lie that is not directly about me is a difficult standard to meet.  Proving that the person who made the claim COULD not know it to be true is much easier.  When someone makes an accusation that is supported by evidence, it may not meet the legal definition of libel, even if it turns out to be false.  Likewise, if someone makes an accusation that is TRUE, there's nothing stopping people from CLAIMING libel, and in fact, good reason to pursue that as a legal defense.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110252When I used the term libel, I meant it in the hyperbolic sense that I understood it to be used in Sacrificial Lamb's original post, effectively meaning 'people are saying mean things in writing'.  

Proving something is a lie that is not directly about me is a difficult standard to meet.  Proving that the person who made the claim COULD not know it to be true is much easier.  When someone makes an accusation that is supported by evidence, it may not meet the legal definition of libel, even if it turns out to be false.  Likewise, if someone makes an accusation that is TRUE, there's nothing stopping people from CLAIMING libel, and in fact, good reason to pursue that as a legal defense.

God, you are such a little bitch.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110245I don't think so.  It sounds to me like he knew Milo was unpleasant, but thought he could use the monster for his own purposes.  That's exactly the villain in Jurassic World.

:rolleyes:

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110252When I used the term libel, I meant it in the hyperbolic sense that I understood it to be used in Sacrificial Lamb's original post, effectively meaning 'people are saying mean things in writing'.  

Proving something is a lie that is not directly about me is a difficult standard to meet.  Proving that the person who made the claim COULD not know it to be true is much easier.  When someone makes an accusation that is supported by evidence, it may not meet the legal definition of libel, even if it turns out to be false.  Likewise, if someone makes an accusation that is TRUE, there's nothing stopping people from CLAIMING libel, and in fact, good reason to pursue that as a legal defense.

You are both a moron and a worm. Which trait is most predominant is yet to be decided.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110252When I used the term libel, I meant it in the hyperbolic sense that I understood it to be used in Sacrificial Lamb's original post, effectively meaning 'people are saying mean things in writing'.  

Proving something is a lie that is not directly about me is a difficult standard to meet.  Proving that the person who made the claim COULD not know it to be true is much easier.  When someone makes an accusation that is supported by evidence, it may not meet the legal definition of libel, even if it turns out to be false.  Likewise, if someone makes an accusation that is TRUE, there's nothing stopping people from CLAIMING libel, and in fact, good reason to pursue that as a legal defense.

You still refuse to admit how malicious and unethical Frank Trollman is, and how similarly unethical your Gaming Den pals are. :mad:

Did you read what I wrote on post #80 on page 8 of this thread?

For the sake of the argument, let's ignore Frank's bullshit attacks on Gygax or Pundit. Let's ignore Lord Mistborn deliberately ignoring everything that Frank said. Let's ignore one of your site members proudly and snarkily admitting to being part of an anarcho-Communist terrorist cell, while pretending that this isn't precisely what Antifa really is.

Explain to me how Frank Trollman has the moral high ground in this argument.

I don't think you can.

Did you notice that Frank refused to explain himself when he accused amacris of money laundering, mass murder, white supremacy, and funding and radicalizing people for a terrorist network? Remember when he very strongly implied that amacris was responsible for the El Paso shooting?

I definitely noticed.

I noticed that Frank would not explain himself; he refused to elaborate and explain precisely what he meant by any of this. When asked to provide the name of this "terrorist network", he refused to do it....and hid like a coward. Now.......I can understand someone who does not articulate specifics, for either legal reasons or out of fear of violence, job loss, deplatforming, etc.....

.....but that is not Frank Trollman's situation.

This is all just his epic butthurt about Milo Yiannopoulos on Frank's part, so he decided to financially attack someone more vulnerable who worked with him once. In other words, the motivation here is just pure malice.

Frank used malicious deception to financially damage an rpg company. He used these tactics to convince other people on that website to not purchase a tabletop rpg product sold by Autarch. And guess what? Mission accomplished. One of your posters already admitted to pirating the game, because of all this. It's right there:

https://tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?t=57411&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

Quote from: The Adventurer's AlmanacThis thread made me pirate ACKS so I could give it to all my (read: one) friends who were interested in the game. Friends don't let friends financially support assholes.

You cannot, in good conscience,  publicly accuse a small-time tabletop rpg publisher of money laundering, terrorism, white supremacy, and mass murder.....without explaining precisely what you mean. :cool:

In other words, Frank Trollman is an unethical, malicious, and lying piece of shit......and so are your pals on the Gaming Den.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;1110266In other words, Frank Trollman is an unethical, malicious, and lying piece of shit......and so are your pals on the Gaming Den.

And yet, somehow this thread and yours and Macris' posts are equally libelous for attempting to cut through the lies, accusations and bullshit Trollman's spewing (I'm pretty certain deconstructing blatantly fallacious libel is not, itself, considered libel ) and for laughing at the absurdity of lines like "[Macris] is almost exactly Osama Bin Laden" delivered in complete seriousness.

Bullshit.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;1110266You still refuse to admit how malicious and unethical Frank Trollman is, and how similarly unethical your Gaming Den pals are. :mad:

I don't know that I'd describe anyone at the Den as a 'pal' and I'm certainly not interested in defending the things they say whether they were right or wrong.  If someone feels that they need to justify their position, they can do it themselves.  

In this thread, Macris indicates that he worked for a company that hired Milo Yiannopoulos after it was known the type of hate-spewing he's responsible for.  

Is there a direct connection to Milo having a platform and people going on rampages?  I'm not sure,
but there is some concern about it