Quote from: sureshot;1002817Would you be fine if some stranger came up to you and said your wife/partner/daughter/son was beautiful and said if he/she was younger he would date her.

That seems like a silly comparison though. In our culture men ask women out, if Frank *had* been 25-30 years younger, and not talking to an SJW, there might not have been anything wrong with him messaging her. Even if she did reject the chat-up.

What was once acceptable is no longer as such. Nowadays asking a random women out on a date espceially a total stranger can get one in trouble. Frank was asking way too familiar with Jessica imo. You get to know a person first. Find out their boundaries on what they will or will not allow. More importantly find out if their is a mutual interest on dating. Not "I like your work and BTW your super hot and if I was younger I would totally date you" to someone one barely knows. Their a fine line between outgoing and being creepy. If I ask someone for a date I make sure to either know the person. Or have that person referred to by a friend. If it's a blind date those have their own rules. Actions have consequences, people are responsible for their own actions and claiming it's been done before is a poorly disguised dodge to try and not take responsiblity for one actions as far as I'm concerned.

I was not out to see Frank blacklisted but fuck, FUCK he really did not do himself any favors. Especially given how many rpg companies are not tolerant of that kind of behavior now. Those that are more tolerant won't probably have anything to do with him for fear of losing sales.

Quote from: S'mon;1002818I do find that pretty annoying. If she were at all honest, given who she is, she would have told him to bugger off, or at least "that's not appropriate". But if she were at all honest she'd not have archived this until Frank's kickstarter + Harver Weinstein.

OTOH Frank was still being a jerk, esp on the sex assault discussion.
OTOOH the punishment never fits the crime these days.

I can understand some people furrowing their brows over the timing, just as Frank Mentzer makes his play for (what he apparently imagined would be) the big quarter mil payoff...

On the other hand I can think of two understandable reasons for her coming out with this at this very point in time, both more plausible than her deliberately lying in wait for two years to ambush the guy at the most opportune time.

It's no wonder why people are full of stress today and why psychiatrists are doing golden buissnes. I don't know in what kind of shitholes some of you are living but where I live flirting or asking a woman out is totally normal. Especially in vacations it's the normal thing to do. Fucking lunatics.

Quote from: John Scott;1002839It's no wonder why people are full of stress today and why psychiatrists are doing golden buissnes. I don't know in what kind of shitholes some of you are living but where I live flirting or asking a woman out is totally normal. Especially in vacations it's the normal thing to do. Fucking lunatics.

That's cool! What thread are you participating in? Because you've clearly missed the point.

Quote from: darthfozzywig;1002840That's cool! What thread are you participating in? Because you've clearly missed the point.

No, I don't think that he has.

See, the point was made that the act of even politely asking a woman out was offensive, which does not work very well in the Real World and seems to be an overreaction.

Quote from: jeff37923;1002845No, I don't think that he has.

See, the point was made that the act of even politely asking a woman out was offensive, which does not work very well in the Real World and seems to be an overreaction.

As I said above, I thought the part people were worked up over was the "assault victims should defend themselves better" stuff, not the "gee, if I were younger I'd like to meet you" stuff.

I'm not saying one should never ask a woman out. Some women have no issues with it. Some do. If it's obvious a woman has no interest and is clearly bothered by it. One walks awzy. One dpes not keep pestering the women then wonders why she called the police. Instead of apologising to the women doubling down and claiming people get easily offended.

Plus some of you are full of crap. If it was your child, significant other, family member some of you would be screaming bloody murder and calling for Frank head if it hspoened to someone close to you. Since it's someone else it's ok.

Quote from: Dumarest;1002848As I said above, I thought the part people were worked up over was the "assault victims should defend themselves better" stuff, not the "gee, if I were younger I'd like to meet you" stuff.

I can see getting worked up over that, but it starts with Price getting hit on like that incident has an equal value to Price.

Quote from: jeff37923;1002845No, I don't think that he has.

See, the point was made that the act of even politely asking a woman out was offensive, which does not work very well in the Real World and seems to be an overreaction.

Thank god for that, or else we would have all been behind bars.

Quote from: Dumarest;1002848As I said above, I thought the part people were worked up over was the "assault victims should defend themselves better" stuff, not the "gee, if I were younger I'd like to meet you" stuff.

Is there any proof of the "assault victims should defend themselves better" stuff?  Wayback machine or whatever, since it was deleted by Price.

Quote from: CRKrueger;1002864Is there any proof of the "assault victims should defend themselves better" stuff?  Wayback machine or whatever, since it was deleted by Price.

No idea, and I never said it was true, I just said my understanding is that is what people seem to be in a tizzy over.

I recall Kask's DF threads from back in the day.  I found his conceited, self-important tone insufferable, especially when he mocked Arneson, someone who's contributions were far greater.  Kask clearly had a chip on his shoulder and a host of insecurities that could only be satisfied by seeking adulation on a gaming forum.  When said adulation wasn't rich and frequent enough, and when some people disagreed with him he threw his toys out of the cot.  All this to the guy who is at best a footnote to the hobby.

I can't remember who said it but the best summary of Kask I read something like "I'd never heard about Tim Kask until he came on this forum to tell us about Tim Kask."

It seems to be symptomatic of a particular section of the old crowd which most certainly includes both Mentzer and Gronan.  D&D was this big thing and they were there at the time but were never central to the action.  We're meant to respect them because 'they were there, man' and if someone isn't appropriately respectful they lose their shit.

Gronan's early post in this thread is a classic.  He wouldn't consult on D&D for $200/hour, when no-one, ever, offered so much as $10/hour.  

What really disappoints me is the number of fanboys who do literally tongue their peeholes and give them the adulation they crave.

Quote from: Dumarest;1002866No idea, and I never said it was true, I just said my understanding is that is what people seem to be in a tizzy over.

Yup, I just spent the better part of the afternoon/evening posting on a thread over on G+ about all the Frank/Bill Webb/Zak offenses, and have been pretty much shouted down the entire way, when all I asked for was justice for victim (if there is one), and due process for the accused.

Everyone there said it was ok that there was no formal adjudication process for actually determining guilt/innocence of the accused, not providing evidence on behalf of the victims (except for Bill Webb at PaizoCon, he probably did get drunk and stupid over there one night and had to be asked to stay away from a young lady, by one of the paizo freelancers who spoke firsthand of this stupidity), that happened last JULY mind you, but everyone just dogpiled these three guys in a kind of a hysterical witch hunt this weekend, and they are just not letting up.

I can't be a part and party to that, and have been accused of not having empathy for the "victims" even though none of the victims seemed to have went through the normal channels i.e. CON Staff where the incidents occurred, and in Zaks case no one brought up any relevant details of any offenses online that he has committed anytime recently (like in the last 30 days or so), though I had heard about his disputes with some folks right after GenCon, so... not sure if the diatribe against him about that time is due to envy over his Enny wins, or if he pushed some folks too far while trolling them, one of his entertainment pastimes.

In any event, not very happy all the kids on the internet are not getting along, adn am withdrawing from the online rancorousness as all of that has no place in my hobby. I just wanna have fun playing RPG games with folks, why all the vile and hate spewing back and forth?!!

Quote from: GameDaddy;1002886I just wanna have fun playing RPG games with folks, why all the vile and hate spewing back and forth?!!

You'd have to ask the SJWs about that one.....