Quote from: Voros;1001973I agree with almost all of what you say here. She does strike me as the kind of shit-stirrer that makes it very hard to run an office and eventually ends up near-unemployable.

She, and the SJW like her that infect Paizo will be the death of this hobby in its current incarnation. The purity purges will result in only the most craven SJW being allowed to publish anything.

Quote from: SP23;1002110She, and the SJW like her that infect Paizo will be the death of this hobby in its current incarnation. The purity purges will result in only the most craven SJW being allowed to publish anything.

Nah, they'll just be the death of their companies.

It's easier to publish now than at any time in human history. No one can stop you.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1002097A legitimate question. Some of his bad behavior was public, and I can see the merit in the argument that the private behavior should be rebuked so that others don't think they can get away with it. On the other hand, there does seem to be an appalling lack of proportion on both sides, especially if Mentzer threatened Price's livelihood as some are saying.

From what I can tell about threatening her livelihood he didn't really do that. He basically said that if you close the door you won't be able to reopen it. That's the gist of it from what I could tell on FB

Considering that Ms. Price no longer works for Paizo and now supposedly works for a video game developer (ArenaNet), I doubt he would be able to carry out said threat anyhoo.

What the FUCK is wrong with older white men these days? And I say that as a rural, small-town, gun-owning cracker pushing the big five-oh.

As a former teenage punk myself, and as a teacher of troubled, sometimes violent, kids... the current Geritol set is more authentically nihilistic and self-destructive than any teen punk, goth, or metalhead that I ever met.

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1002182What the FUCK is wrong with older white men these days? And I say that as a rural, small-town, gun-owning cracker pushing the big five-oh.

As a former teenage punk myself, and as a teacher of troubled, sometimes violent, kids... the current Geritol set is more authentically nihilistic and self-destructive than any teen punk, goth, or metalhead that I ever met.

You need to get out more if you actually think that is the issue. It's not a racial/ethnic thing. It's rampant in Latino, black, Middle Easternx and Asian communities at least as much, maybe even more than in yours. Particularly in immigrant communities there is a "macho" and male-dominated culture. It's often a real barrier in my job where I need a statement for an investigation and I run into husbands and fathers who try to prevent anyone from speaking to a wife or daughter directly and they try to tell me their version of events they didn't even witness, or interrupt to tell me "what she really means."

Quote from: Dumarest;1002189You need to get out more if you actually think that is the issue. It's not a racial/ethnic thing. It's rampant in Latino, black, Middle Easternx and Asian communities at least as much, maybe even more than in yours. Particularly in immigrant communities there is a "macho" and male-dominated culture. It's often a real barrier in my job where I need a statement for an investigation and I run into husbands and fathers who try to prevent anyone from speaking to a wife or daughter directly and they try to tell me their version of events they didn't even witness, or interrupt to tell me "what she really means."

Is it getting worse? Because it seems like it's really getting worse. A kind of nasty callousness is in the air.

I'm a big Mentzer fan and his eighties boxed sets are among the tightest, most newbie-friendly RPG designs ever. This whole thing is depressing.

Quote from: Celestial;1002027If anything, this just reinforces my opinion that social media is a blight upon humanity.  Twitter especially.

It's a fascinating societal trainwreck.

The next Presidential PRIMARY will be a great sociological study into the long term effects of social media, as we will see the social media history of various candidates, their families and their associates dragged out as weapons by the opposing parties and their minions.

And I, as always, will be dancing in the warm light of Rome burning.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1002066This is one of the problems--how do we properly rebuke Mentzer's bad behavior without turning into a lynch mob?

Why should anyone not involved in the incident be involved in the rebuking?

It sounds like everyone involved was over 18 and legally competent adults.

AKA, let those affected do the slamming themselves.

Plus rebuking is nowhere as fun as making comedy out of it.

Quote from: Voros;1002084There's a reason that they use to say never discuss sex, politics or religion at work. People using social media should keep that in mind, especially when it is tied to your professional life.

Very true.

Anyone who wants a safe career path in the future should destroy all their social media accounts now.

The outrage brigades (of all stripes) and purity police (of all stripes) will use something as innocuous as a Like or a Facebook mention on a friend's page as ammunition in their witch hunts.  

Quote from: sureshot;1001977It was a trainwreck waiting to happen and Frank did nothing to stop the train from crashing.

That is a fair assessment.

Quote from: SP23;1002110She, and the SJW like her that infect Paizo will be the death of this hobby in its current incarnation. The purity purges will result in only the most craven SJW being allowed to publish anything.

NO.

NO.

NO.

SJWs are a tiny minority of actual gamers. I game with plenty of people who voted for Grandma Nixon and there's no issues because actual adults just want to have a fun games with friends and nice acquaintances during their recreation time.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1002192SJWs are a tiny minority of actual gamers.

Real committed SJWs - people like Price whose lives revolve around SocJus - seem a small minority even in RPG publishers. But small numbers can do a lot of harm. They seem to be a particular bane in no-talent-required journalism areas, a good area for controlling The Narrative. Most of the Marvel comics writers do seem to be SJWs, and I guess an RPG publisher could get eaten out from the inside like that, but RPG publishers are mostly either tiny or rely primarily on freelancers.

Three rules of SJW:

They always lie.

They always double down.

They always project.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1002221Three rules of SJW:

They always lie.

They always double down.

They always project.

You sure love your Vox Day...

This has clearly moved into political territory. Can this thread be moved?

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1002191Is it getting worse? Because it seems like it's really getting worse. A kind of nasty callousness is in the air.

In person it seems to me about the same level as ever. Online, it's definitely worse; I assume due to anonymity. People say things over the phone they would never say to your face, but e-mail, IMs, Twitter, etc. have made it possible to "speak" without thinking and have no way of retracting after reconsideration or even just correcting things poorly stated, and then there are those who just want to say nasty things because no one can identify them (or so they think).

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;1002191I'm a big Mentzer fan and his eighties boxed sets are among the tightest, most newbie-friendly RPG designs ever. This whole thing is depressing.

I like boxed sets best. As for Mr. Mentzer, I only know his work on Basic D&D. I could not name one other thing he has done, but that's my ignorance as I don't follow the industry aside from whatever I happen to see on this forum and a couple of blogs here and there.

Social media also makes it possible to screenshot something someone you said that you don't like and send it to whatever list of people will cause maximum damage, or just put it on full blast in public if you've got the platform.

I suppose we're on our way to most people figuring out that saying something on social media might as well be saying something on television.

Quote from: fearsomepirate;1002289Social media also makes it possible to screenshot something someone you said that you don't like and send it to whatever list of people will cause maximum damage, or just put it on full blast in public if you've got the platform.

I suppose we're on our way to most people figuring out that saying something on social media might as well be saying something on television.

It would be absurd for someone to say something on television and then sue the company broadcasting it for libel. "But I  didn't want what I said to affect me professionally!". Society has pretty much accepted that as true for as long as television has existed. It makes sense that, in an era where the United State's President has an active twitter feed, we should be considering our actions on social media in light of what professional harm they can do us.