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Forge of Foes, Sly Flourish goes Woke

Started by GeekyBugle, January 07, 2025, 03:09:38 PM

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jhkim

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January 12, 2025, 02:21:37 AM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on January 08, 2025, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: blackstone on January 08, 2025, 11:27:38 AMI think you might be misunderstanding something here. Use of seduction to defeat the evil is quite common.

Nope.  The use of seduction to distract the evil is common.  When you have two sections on "consent" in that chapter, you are not talking about flirting or holding hands.  You are talking about sex with the bad guy or monster!  And that's a popular, degenerate theme in modern women's romance novels.

There have been honeytraps throughout all of real human history.  That doesn't mean my group wants to, or has ever, played them.  A character flashing the guards for a momentary distraction (and laughs) is NOT the same as creating a subplot where you are boning Vecna (pun intended).

It's not just women's romance stories. James Bond would frequently have sex with a villain. Sometimes he would successfully turn her to his side, like Domino or Pussy Galore. Sometimes he wouldn't and he had to kill her. The same goes for Conan, who had sex with Belit - who turned from his enemy to his ally - as well as other women who ended up betraying him.

The original Monster Manual had a whole bunch of intentionally sexy monsters - Dryad, Succubus, Nymph, Sylph. That matches with some of the source material.

If it's not to one's taste, that's fine. I've rarely had it in any of my games. But it is a feature of many pulp fantasy and adventure stories, not just modern women's romance.

Ratman_tf

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January 12, 2025, 04:31:07 AM
Quote from: jhkim on January 12, 2025, 02:21:37 AM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on January 08, 2025, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: blackstone on January 08, 2025, 11:27:38 AMI think you might be misunderstanding something here. Use of seduction to defeat the evil is quite common.

Nope.  The use of seduction to distract the evil is common.  When you have two sections on "consent" in that chapter, you are not talking about flirting or holding hands.  You are talking about sex with the bad guy or monster!  And that's a popular, degenerate theme in modern women's romance novels.

There have been honeytraps throughout all of real human history.  That doesn't mean my group wants to, or has ever, played them.  A character flashing the guards for a momentary distraction (and laughs) is NOT the same as creating a subplot where you are boning Vecna (pun intended).

It's not just women's romance stories. James Bond would frequently have sex with a villain. Sometimes he would successfully turn her to his side, like Domino or Pussy Galore. Sometimes he wouldn't and he had to kill her. The same goes for Conan, who had sex with Belit - who turned from his enemy to his ally - as well as other women who ended up betraying him.

The original Monster Manual had a whole bunch of intentionally sexy monsters - Dryad, Succubus, Nymph, Sylph. That matches with some of the source material.

If it's not to one's taste, that's fine. I've rarely had it in any of my games. But it is a feature of many pulp fantasy and adventure stories, not just modern women's romance.


If the writer of the book had put a fraction of thought into the topic, you might have a point.
But the whole section reads of "Hey, have you considered fucking the monsters in your adventure?"
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GeekyBugle

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January 12, 2025, 12:28:30 PM
Quote from: jhkim on January 12, 2025, 02:21:37 AM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on January 08, 2025, 12:15:27 PM
Quote from: blackstone on January 08, 2025, 11:27:38 AMI think you might be misunderstanding something here. Use of seduction to defeat the evil is quite common.

Nope.  The use of seduction to distract the evil is common.  When you have two sections on "consent" in that chapter, you are not talking about flirting or holding hands.  You are talking about sex with the bad guy or monster!  And that's a popular, degenerate theme in modern women's romance novels.

There have been honeytraps throughout all of real human history.  That doesn't mean my group wants to, or has ever, played them.  A character flashing the guards for a momentary distraction (and laughs) is NOT the same as creating a subplot where you are boning Vecna (pun intended).

It's not just women's romance stories. James Bond would frequently have sex with a villain. Sometimes he would successfully turn her to his side, like Domino or Pussy Galore. Sometimes he wouldn't and he had to kill her. The same goes for Conan, who had sex with Belit - who turned from his enemy to his ally - as well as other women who ended up betraying him.

The original Monster Manual had a whole bunch of intentionally sexy monsters - Dryad, Succubus, Nymph, Sylph. That matches with some of the source material.

If it's not to one's taste, that's fine. I've rarely had it in any of my games. But it is a feature of many pulp fantasy and adventure stories, not just modern women's romance.


That would use their sex appeal to seduce then kill the PCs. But of course that's Muhsoggyknees.
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