Quote from: Elliot Wilenand not only that, the idea that "empowering players" is only a good one until you find yourself playing with people whose empowerment messes up your enjoyment.

Or even try empowering players who prefer to be passive.  

You can end up with some really bitchin' actual plays filled with three hours worth of "So, what do you guys want to do?"

Quote from: Joshua FordThis forum was for 'traditional pen and paper rpgs' but of late it feels like that 'traditional' is getting more and more narrow.

Bullshit.  What game was being thought of as Regular before that is no longer being thought of that way?!

RPGPundit

Vincent has posted some of his notes from the GenCon Poison'd game.

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WTF

Quote from: RPGPunditBullshit.  What game was being thought of as Regular before that is no longer being thought of that way?!

RPGPundit

It's not about the games, it's about anyone who dares wear a certain avatar, use certain language or have certain opinions get shouted down by the same quartet or so of goons to the point that the noise/signal ratio is starting to overwhelm the coolness of unmoderated boards. I guess that can be the price of freedom, but it really starts to wear.  It's an attempt at censorship by popularity.  It's not working, though and is instead just dragging the whole site down.

I think this conversation has some interesting threads going on in it. If you could exclude those who only want to grab what they can to shout their agenda at everybody, we might actually find some cogent thought on where System Matters might be flawed as a theory or when is a game no longer fun or "artistic".  Instead, it's angry losers screaming about everything that offends them.  Shit, I'd rather listen to people whining about what is and isn't sick then the endless futile rage against "indie" games or go play or whatever doesn't fit into their narrow little dogma.

Quote from: Vicent BakerWere we comfortable with what we did in the game? Yes. Well - we thought it was horrific, tragic, fitting, gruesome and bad. But whoever was talking, no matter how horrific and bad the things they were saying, never once did we wish they'd shut up.

After the game ended we sat and talked for another three hours or more, as friends. As, in fact, very good friends. None of us wanted to get up and go anywhere else. None of us wanted to open the circle to include anyone who hadn't been there. We split up for the night reluctantly and only very late. It was too good to leave behind.

That's alright, Vincent, you don't have to open your circle at all. Just keep on keeping to yourselves, please.

Quote from: StuartVincent has posted some of his notes from the GenCon Poison'd game.

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WTF

That game is just not my bag.  I haven't heard anything I like about it.  I'm done reading about it.

walkerp, I suggest you ignore the parts of the discussion you don't like, and engage the parts you do. Going "meta" just creates more noise.

Quote from: StuartVincent has posted some of his notes from the GenCon Poison'd game.

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WTF

Wow.  That's all kinds of fucked up.

So many, many kinds of fucked up.

Quote from: Elliot Wilenwalkerp, I suggest you ignore the parts of the discussion you don't like, and engage the parts you do. Going "meta" just creates more noise.

Or like I said in the forum addict's manifesto, just start a new thread. After a thread has reached 100 posts, it never stays on-topic and drifts in multiple tangential topics, and almost nobody reads all the posts, so it gets repetitive.

Quote from: Kyle AaronOr like I said in the forum addict's manifesto, just start a new thread. After a thread has reached 100 posts, it never stays on-topic and drifts in multiple tangential topics, and almost nobody reads all the posts, so it gets repetitive.

 That may be good advice Kyle,  - but hardly anybody ever listens to good advice when they should.


 Like 10 minutes ago - I haphazardly clicked on that link.

 Holy Frakking Kahless !! What a bunch of slimy creeps those guys seem to be. I'm referring to the players at that Gencon game.
Whats worse is they are all proud somehow of their pretend rapes.


Think I gotta go watch THE PIRATE MOVIE with Kristy McNichol now to get in a mellow mood again.  That will be good as fluffy brain soap.

- Ed C.

Quote from: StuartVincent has posted some of his notes from the GenCon Poison'd game.

So... what will be next time? Poisn'd LARP, where they will actually rape someone? What the hell? I thought that it was just one occassion, but now, another report, another rape.
:barf:

So can this game actually run without raping?

Quote from: Vincent BakerBut whoever was talking, no matter how horrific and bad the things they were saying, never once did we wish they'd shut up.

You know... this is not a circle of rapists anonymous, so I am pretty perplexed they were so eager to speak about such brutality.

Quote from: Vincent BakerAfter the game ended we sat and talked for another three hours or more, as friends. As, in fact, very good friends. None of us wanted to get up and go anywhere else.

Sounds like accomplices making sure everyone is on the same board.

Oh and happy lurking Killraven!

Sounds like a good game to me. You guys are like a bunch of old ladies.

Quote from: BalbinusA point I made upthread also, the Disney/Poison'd split is a classic fallacy of the excluded middle, it's also a total ignoring of how it actually worked historically (and several rpgs have done historical pirates pretty accurately, Gurps Swashbucklers, High Seas for Flashing Blades, the ICE Pirates supplement, Run Out the Guns, all of these portrayed fairly historically accurate pirates).

I don't think it's about history if it's anything like DitV.

Quote from: droogSounds like a good game to me. You guys are like a bunch of old ladies.

Is that better than being a dirty old man?



(Incidentally, balding, black t-shirt, jeans, insistence on talking about anal sex in public - yep those are the gamers I know.

What do trad gamers look like?)

Quote from: droogI don't think it's about history if it's anything like DitV.

As said in another thread, a game in which curses, ghosts and deals with the Devil have mechanical effects instead of being merely superstitions among sailors cannot really be "historically accurate."